2017 Pecking Order Speculation

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by continuum16 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:37 am

I'd say 10:1 odds on a McLaren back row lockout in a few weeks.

According to Alonso they have less power than last year atm (meaning even less than Sauber) and are only on day 2 of testing and development 6 days in...plus it's unlikely that both cars will even be functioning come qualifying anyways. :?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... eliability

Elsewhere we have Massa targeting podiums: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/188 ... diums-2017

and Force India with "weaknesses"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... essesEURTM

I think these can be the bookends of the midfield (at the beginning) with STR, Renault, and Haas in between.
Ferrari: "last lap Kimi, all or nothing" *crashes into Bottas*

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by GPR-A » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:35 am

dren wrote:Mclaren (I expect Mclaren to fight for best of the rest towards the end of the year)
At what race can we expect Alonso announcing his retirement? OR an announcement about joining RENAULT?

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by IamLegend » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:10 pm

continuum16 wrote:I'd say 10:1 odds on a McLaren back row lockout in a few weeks.

According to Alonso they have less power than last year atm (meaning even less than Sauber) and are only on day 2 of testing and development 6 days in...plus it's unlikely that both cars will even be functioning come qualifying anyways. :?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... eliability

Elsewhere we have Massa targeting podiums: http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/188 ... diums-2017

and Force India with "weaknesses"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... essesEURTM

I think these can be the bookends of the midfield (at the beginning) with STR, Renault, and Haas in between.
With all their "weakness" they did a 1:20:161!?? Would be wonderful to see what they can do at their best! :D

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by Sevach » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:16 pm

Ok, updated.

Ferrari> Mercedes> unsure between Williams and Red Bull> Force India> STR>Renault> Mclaren> Sauber.

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by IamLegend » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:38 pm

Sevach wrote:Ok, updated.

Ferrari> Mercedes> unsure between Williams and Red Bull> Force India> STR>Renault> Mclaren> Sauber.
Agreed as of today. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by santos » Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:58 pm

I wouldn't be so sure about who's first... Ferrari is looking strong, but Mercedes... i'm sure they have something more to show when they get to Australia. The midfield is where the fun is. FI, STR, HAAS and Renault, will give plenty of nice shows.

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by f1316 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:57 am

OK, I think we're now at a stage where we can be slightly more informed:

Mercedes/Ferrari
Red Bull
Williams
Haas
Renault/McLaren
Toro Rosso
Force India
Sauber

McLaren, imo, depends on whether Honda candeliver some more power by Melbourne; if they had delivered the Mercedes 2016 PU performance they were originally projecting, I'd have put them 4th, but if they can get a decent jump - let's say up to Renault 2016 levels - I think maybe they can be there or thereabouts with the Renault and Haas cars (with Alonso finishing the race ahead of those cars).

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by Ray Okay » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:08 am

Based on testing so far and my crystal ball [-o<
  • 1 Mercedes
    2 Ferarri
    3 Red Bull
    4 Williams
    5 Toro Rosso
    6 Force India
    7 Renault
    8 Haas
    9 McLaren
    10 Sauber

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by f1316 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:39 am

How about we also speculate intra team battles (or am I asking for trouble)?

My guess:

Hamilton over Bottas (fairly convincingly)
Vettel over Kimi (fairly convincingly)
Max over Ricciardo (close but definite edge)
Massa over Stroll (but neither turn in anything too spectacular)
Grosjean over kmag
Alonso over stoffel (quali battle might be close but Alonso has way more points)
Hulk over palmer (fairly convincingly)
Sainz over Kvyat (fairly convincingly)
Perez over Ocon (but close)
Wehrlein over Ericsson

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by FrukostScones » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:02 pm

1. Mercedes 2. Ferrari 3. Red Bull
4. Williams
5. Toro Rosso 6. Force India 7. Renault 8. Haas (very hard to judge these 4)
9. McLaren (because of PU)
10. Sauber
Game Over! NVWSSV is here.

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Re: RE: Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by ripper » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:13 pm

FrukostScones wrote:1. Mercedes 2. Ferrari 3. Red Bull
4. Williams
5. Toro Rosso 6. Force India 7. Renault 8. Haas (very hard to judge these 4)
9. McLaren (because of PU)
10. Sauber
Well i agree, i expect a decent margin between Mercedes and Ferrari/RB. I think that there will be a good battle between the two teams.

Midfield is very hard to judge. Haas looks solid, TR is fine but has some reliability problems. FI has to work on the package and Renault is still a mystery to me.

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by bosanac1 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:03 pm

1Mercedes
gap 0.2-0.3
2. Ferrari
gap 0.4-0.5
3. Red Bull
4. Williams
gap 0.5
5. Haas
6. Force India
gap 0.5
7. Toro Rosso
8. Renault
gap 1 second
9. McLaren
10. Sauber

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by continuum16 » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:06 pm

I think this year will be exciting. Ferrari and Mercedes are clearly ahead. Red Bull is near Williams now, but I think they can join the top two before the end of 2017.
Williams will be like force India in the back end of last year—in their own zone in 7th and 8th each race—but should surprise at some tracks (monza, Canada, etc.). Then there will be an almighty scrap for the last points between STR, Renault, Haas and FI.

Sorry McLaren (read honda), but points will be hard to come by. More 2015 than 16. Sauber is the new manor.
Ferrari: "last lap Kimi, all or nothing" *crashes into Bottas*

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by ripper » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:27 pm

Honestly I expect a good leap by RB: Renault will bring a new engine spec and I suppose the aero dep will bring some news

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Re: 2017 Pecking Order Speculation

Post by matt_s » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:27 pm

Ray Okay wrote:Based on testing so far and my crystal ball [-o<
  • 1 Mercedes
    2 Ferarri
    3 Red Bull
    4 Williams
    5 Toro Rosso
    6 Force India
    7 Renault
    8 Haas
    9 McLaren
    10 Sauber
This would be my close to my prediction, but I think McLaren could be above Haas by Aus. The last set of runs that Alonso did today were close to what Grosjean has been doing, and I reckon that Honda have more room for improvement than Ferrari do. ;) :lol: