HALO Approved for 2018

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A 3 year old can count 4 supports while almighty engineer sees 2

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Sorry, I meant a design like this:

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Yes, I know, my Photoshop skills are really mad. :lol:

* And yes, I know it could be made to look more aesthetically pleasing. It was a 2 second PS job. But I thought this might look better than the stupid pillar in the middle and the ring on top.....
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Phil wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:24 pm
Sorry, I meant a design like this:

http://temp.conceptics.ch/f1_halo.jpg

Yes, I know, my Photoshop skills are really mad. :lol:
mad? Phil, it's pathetic. :lol: :lol: :lol: And I thought no one can be worse than me.

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lol. thanks for that. :lol: (I was actually quite proud of my illustration :P :oops: :cry: )

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Worst idea from the FIA yet.

Now to reduce the G force when the car smashes into a barrier...

Scalextric slots on the track?

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the shield that was trialed by vettel was the best looking i thought and if they could fully incorporate it to the design it would look even better. it would also attract not detract i think a new audience because it looks like a semi jet fighter canopy.

the problem that seb was having can be worked out with materials or reshaping because unlike a fighter pilot whose looking further out, F1 drivers are focusing on things (apex) that are closer approaching at great speed. no different than their visor on the their crash helmets.

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adrianjordan wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:46 am
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We got used to those horrendous noses. We’ll get used to this. And i bet at least some teams will find a way to make it blend in with the car/livery and look good ;) For example, this doesn't look bad me thinks.

The bad thing tho is, it will maybe prevent a Bianchi, but most likely won’t prevent a Massa. And then what...

Also: This Halo device isn't a part of the 'triangle' when the car rolls. I don't think they're designing the car around it, the same way it's designed around the roll hoop and the (top side of the) tub. What happens when the car rolls ? IMHO it's not a far fetched scenario that the Halo might get pushed into the cockpit towards the driver's head/chest. That would not be good, and can not be ruled out convincingly.
Halo would not of saved Bianchi. The deceleration would still have been pretty much the same as with the roll hoop.
its sad but i agree. that crane should've never been on the track in the first place.

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have they already crashtested the HALO?

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I have two questions about this.

1) Why. Just why. (I suspect answer is someone high up in F1 needing a literal get-out-of-jail card)

2) Why would Ferrari of all teams support it. Their brand relies on an atmosphere of sexy styling and they've spent the last year trying to come up with a better looking alternative to avoid using the halo. What are they getting out of voting yes to this?

In fact. How can this even be enforced if every team bar Ferrari votes no? If it had been Sauber or Haas voting yes instead would it still be going through?

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OneAlex wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:33 pm
I have two questions about this.

1) Why. Just why. (I suspect answer is someone high up in F1 needing a literal get-out-of-jail card)
Because it would have prevented several serious injuries across motorsport, and there's no downside to it.
2) Why would Ferrari of all teams support it. Their brand relies on an atmosphere of sexy styling and they've spent the last year trying to come up with a better looking alternative to avoid using the halo. What are they getting out of voting yes to this?
Because Ferrari weren't a fan of the headline "Filipe Massa seriously injured while driving a Ferrari, may die", and don't want another one like it.

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Moose wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:04 pm
OneAlex wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:33 pm
I have two questions about this.

1) Why. Just why. (I suspect answer is someone high up in F1 needing a literal get-out-of-jail card)
Because it would have prevented several serious injuries across motorsport, and there's no downside to it.
2) Why would Ferrari of all teams support it. Their brand relies on an atmosphere of sexy styling and they've spent the last year trying to come up with a better looking alternative to avoid using the halo. What are they getting out of voting yes to this?
Because Ferrari weren't a fan of the headline "Filipe Massa seriously injured while driving a Ferrari, may die", and don't want another one like it.
lol @ bringing up 2.

this device brings NO difference to that. there is NO screen to protect, so the spring that came off the Brawn would STILL impact the driver today [even though Helmet technology has advanced after that incident]. So it's really incorrect to use that example.
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also there's no guarantee that the Halo would've saved Jules. in fact i think it would've been even more severe the impact at speed and stopping abruptly.

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NYGIANTS wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm
also there's no guarantee that the Halo would've saved Jules. in fact i think it would've been even more severe the impact at speed and stopping abruptly.
Jules was killed by driving too fast and crashing against JCB under double waved yellows. No crash structure could have saved him and because of that we have a VSC now.

The Halo protects against large object on track (like wheels, nose cones and cars) that will break your neck plus extra protection for when you hit a barrier under a freak angle (like Wehrlein at Monaco or Heidfelt at the first E-GP). It’s not for small debris. Helmets are made stronger for that.

I expect that the Halo will get similar crash tests like the nose and side impact systems and will have a failing point that (far) extends an otherwise deadly accident. So no snapping off.

I also expect that teams get a little freedom how to shape it, within crashtest rules and will look less bad then these plastic prototypes.

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Jolle wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:32 pm
NYGIANTS wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:05 pm
also there's no guarantee that the Halo would've saved Jules. in fact i think it would've been even more severe the impact at speed and stopping abruptly.
Jules was killed by driving too fast and crashing against JCB under double waved yellows. No crash structure could have saved him and because of that we have a VSC now.

The Halo protects against large object on track (like wheels, nose cones and cars) that will break your neck plus extra protection for when you hit a barrier under a freak angle (like Wehrlein at Monaco or Heidfelt at the first E-GP). It’s not for small debris. Helmets are made stronger for that.

I expect that the Halo will get similar crash tests like the nose and side impact systems and will have a failing point that (far) extends an otherwise deadly accident. So no snapping off.

I also expect that teams get a little freedom how to shape it, within crashtest rules and will look less bad then these plastic prototypes.
that crane at suzuka should've never been on the track.

the halo still wouldn't have prevented what happened to massa with the spring.

i'm still for the canopy...

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For all the pain in what happened to Bianci, isnt it ironic that the one thing the FIA should have done, and that is to clarify what a double waved yellow means, so utterly failed to do just a year later when Rosberg set a new fastest lap under such waved yellows with little more than just a lift?

How can the sport be expected to save lives coming up with pathetic safety measures when the one basic thing is ignored - that being that clear warning signs of a dangerous hazard on track ahead and that drivers are expected to lift significantly and be able to stop immediately within the visible part of the track?

Its like you have a road with a speed limit, but instead of enforcing it, you build the cars stronger...
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