Todays AMuS report says pretty much the opposite! Merc+Ferr+ Ren pushing to obtain the MGUH
It is public knowledge that Honda did not want to withdraw the MGUH. Now the rest join the same thought as Honda.lio007 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:04 pmTodays AMuS report says pretty much the opposite! Merc+Ferr+ Ren pushing to obtain the MGUH
No ratio changes this season, so maybe it was done in expectation for power increases. Or for sandbagging.amho wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:46 pmThey don't hit rev limiter, low gear ratio means less torque at wheel so slower acceleration, so it takes more time to reach a certain speed. For exampke imagin you drive a car and going uphill, with 2nd gear you reach near rev limit and speed of 80 kph, but if you go that uphill with 4th gear, car doesn't have enough torque at wheel so a lot slower acceleration and car speed doesn't exceed 60 kph...Big Tea wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:17 pmAre they hitting the rev limiter in top? if not, the lower ratio would not give them reduced speed (would it?)amho wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:14 pm
We don't know drag levels or E-deployment strategy during lap to judge decisively about power gap between cars, but I checked the video footage and calculated transmission ratio based on about 30 samples of speed and engine rev and it seems that Torro rosso have lower transmission ratio in 4th, 5th,6th,7th and 8th gear (i didn't check other gears) in comparison to Mercedes,so it explain part of STR's speed deficit compared to Mercedes. It has been a question that why Mclaren Honda also was running lower gear ratio despite of power deficit to it's competitors.
With longer gearing they would be slower as the power unit would still not get them to a higher speed but would also not accelerate then as quickly. (or am I wrong here?)
I think you got it the wrong way round. It is Mercedes and Ferrari in particular that have opposed the removal of the MGUH and fought for it. Honda has been largely silent on the political front as it often tends to be.HPD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:57 pmIt is public knowledge that Honda did not want to withdraw the MGUH. Now the rest join the same thought as Honda.lio007 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:04 pmTodays AMuS report says pretty much the opposite! Merc+Ferr+ Ren pushing to obtain the MGUH
You can search for interviews, you will find a lot of information about Honda position with the MUGH
There are a lot of factors which you are ignoring I'm afraid.MMMMMMMM wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:20 pmMate, you’re last at the table. We’ve agreed Honda surpassed Renault two years ago and is hunting Mercedes right now. It ain’t too far away actually... Track results speak for themselves and if you look at the Constuctors Championship, the Honda powered Toro Rosso has a tenth (10%) of the Mercedes points. If that’s not enough argument for you, how about ex-partners McLaren, which literally have hit rock bottom. Bottom as they are, they have 2.5x more points than Toro Rosso Honda.
Enough said about track performance, let’s look at reliability, which has indeed improved compared to previous years. They are still nowhere compared to the other engine manufacturers, but this year is feasible they finish the championship with only 10-12 PU units used per car. If they can halve that next year, they’re on the right path for 2020-2021.
On the one hand it is very true. It is a very hard track for the engine.dren wrote: ↑Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:51 amGasly said they are losing all of their pace in the straights saying the PU is holding them back: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13728 ... ghts-crazy
In short, Renault and Honda were losing a lot of time this weekend. This shows how far they are from Ferrari and MercedesPierre Gasly of Toro Rosso, who drives Honda's, also mentioned a loss of about one second on the straights, but according to Horner it is not necessary to look at the situation as it is now, but at the potential.
"You could see very well this weekend at what level everyone is and I think that Honda and Renault are in a similar situation at the moment. However, it is all about potential and possible development. There is a hole that needs to be repaired and we really believe in what is in the pipeline at Honda to close it. "
For Red Bull it is also simply 'time for change', says Horner. "With Renault, it's the same story year after year. At Honda we see good progress, so that seems like the right choice. "
https://www.formule1.nl/nieuws/horner-s ... erstappen/