They did. Tanabe said the PU is slightly bigger and heavier this year. What's interesting is that Key, Marko and Newey have all said: "the Honda is technically very interesting, it's smaller and lighter than what we currently have".godlameroso wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:46 pmI could have sworn Honda made this year's power unit slightly heavier and more robust than last year. Maybe they go back to the lighter design towards the end of the year, or next year's design when they get a better grasp of where they can and can't push things.
They made a larger unit and not necessarily a heavier unit. The extra space has allowed them to put a larger turbo in compared to when at mclaren. It is however still smaller then the Renault unit.godlameroso wrote: ↑Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:46 pmI could have sworn Honda made this year's power unit slightly heavier and more robust than last year. Maybe they go back to the lighter design towards the end of the year, or next year's design when they get a better grasp of where they can and can't push things.
The hungaroring test will be useless for red bull unless they can put the Honda in the rb14 and actually test with 2019 in mind. To be honest Red Bull should have made the switch with TR to Honda in 2018. The extra information Honda would have received would have boosted them 100 fold and there would be no negative energy being wasted in this bitchy divorce with Renault.
Elephant in the room is: none exist. They were too hard to make, and everyone's ashamed to admit it.
I wish that info was made public. APPARENTLY (keyword), the RA615H in the MP4-30 was the only PU on the grid to achieve the minimum allowed weight figure of 145kg. Obviously though... everything was undersized, since then it's just risen in complexity.roon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:10 amElephant in the room is: none exist. They were too hard to make, and everyone's ashamed to admit it.
Speaking of elephants, just how heavy is this new pu. How much does a horsepower weigh, and what sort of horses are being used for the baseline. What sort of horses do they have in Japan. The big airbox is of no concern to me; it is mostly air with just a thin layer of box.
Red Bull team principal Christian Horner said "we'd be no different to where we are now" had it used Honda engines in 2018.
"We'd have still won the grands prix we won," said Horner.
"Honda are within one per cent of our measurement of where we currently are.
"There's still a significant chunk to get to Ferrari and Mercedes but having the full focus of an OEM like Honda behind us, combined with the fact that with Renault we were becoming more and more the customer as inevitably their focus becomes more centred on their own team, it was absolutely the right timing to go this different path."
"With where we currently are with Renault, the positioning of any box, any juncture, on the engine, is dictated by their own works team," said Horner.
"We have to accommodate whatever Renault Enstone want to adopt. Sometimes we have to make compromises to accommodate that.
"With Honda, we will have the ability to have the discussions in advance to try to optimise the integration between engine and chassis.
"They are earlier on the curve and they have the resource and the capacity.
"One of the biggest issues that probably Renault have struggled with is probably the financial commitment to the R&D process.
"Mercedes have spent a lot of money, and invested heavily, as have Ferrari.
"These power units are extremely complex and you can see now that there are still incremental gains being made with the introduction of each power unit."
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13751 ... with-honda
I don't believe any one close 1050 hp if someone had already reach 1000 hp powerMMMMMMMM wrote: ↑Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:03 amWell, according to http://www.formula1benzing.eu
It’s Ferrari and Mercedes at 1130 hp
Renault at 1110 hp
Honda at 1090 hp
Those figures are presented as maximum power figures in qualifying.
If true, it’ not that bad actually, only 2% off Renault and another 2% to the top.