General Honda F1 Topic

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Thunder18 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:29 pm

They heavily invest in R&D outside of the sport and with MotoGP going fairly well, remember Honda are a motorcycle manufacturer first and foremost, do they need this overly expensive and complex engine system especially when they do pretty well in other motorsport categories, IndyCar for example. F1 and the investment in Alonso and McLaren only to be tarnished by them was looking like a poor decision and wasted funds. The European shift towards EV is obviously where more experience is needed for their engineers and R&D.

Personally I hope they stay long term

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Bill » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:35 pm

Honda are an engine builder first and foremost

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Thunder18 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:01 pm

Yeah I know but they sell more bikes than cars, planes and snowblowers!!

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Big Tea » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:48 pm

AS Fe is more or less a spec series, why not Honda just taking an existing team and 'badging it'? They could possibly go to building their own motor, or again badge one as Honda, someone has to produce one for their ecars
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by lio007 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 am

This sounds so much more like a partnership than in the McLaren days:
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/insights/W ... eDyno.html

I think in the end it came good for all parties, it seems everybody is happy now: RB with/and Honda, McLaren with Renault.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Capharol » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:54 am

lio007 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 am
This sounds so much more like a partnership than in the McLaren days:
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/insights/W ... eDyno.html

I think in the end it came good for all parties, it seems everybody is happy now: RB with/and Honda, McLaren with Renault.
nice you copied the link from the honda hrdware thread.....
viewtopic.php?p=849079#p849072
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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by lio007 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:10 pm

Capharol wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:54 am
lio007 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 am
This sounds so much more like a partnership than in the McLaren days:
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/insights/W ... eDyno.html

I think in the end it came good for all parties, it seems everybody is happy now: RB with/and Honda, McLaren with Renault.
nice you copied the link from the honda hrdware thread.....
viewtopic.php?p=849079#p849072
Yes I did. Anything wrong in doing so?

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Snorked » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Have Red Bull posted any media on this karting event held before Silverstone?
A total of 60 employees from both Red Bull and Honda factories were divided into three teams of 20 teams, and made into a 60-minute endurance race with a 125cc racing cart.

The Red Bull side was headed by Christian Horner , Honda was headed by Toyoharu Tanabe

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by hollus » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:24 am

Capharol wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:54 am
lio007 wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 am
This sounds so much more like a partnership than in the McLaren days:
https://en.hondaracingf1.com/insights/W ... eDyno.html

I think in the end it came good for all parties, it seems everybody is happy now: RB with/and Honda, McLaren with Renault.
nice you copied the link from the honda hrdware thread.....
viewtopic.php?p=849079#p849072
A discussion on whether one has to attribute the sources of copied links followed. Nothing particularly wrong with it except that it was long and getting longer and this is the Honda thread.

As the guy who flagged it to the moderators as a growing off-topic deviation (thanks!) said:
"It's a viable discussion....just not in this thread. "

My take on it, and this is by no means supposed to be a rule:
Is it nice to attribute sources? Surely.
Is it mandatory? Surely not.
As often, this area is ruled by mood and context to a nice extent. It is a gray area.

But the discussion that followed was off-topic and growing bigger, so it was removed, substituted by this much shorter explanatory post.

Back to Honda...
It is not white, it is not black, it is probably gray.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by GhostF1 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 am

Reposting an article that was deleted due to as mentioned reasons above.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... a-quit-f1/

Important stuff.
- Aston Martin very happy with Honda and their involvement so far, want them to stay past 2021.
- Aston are ready to step up involvement and bring their own engine to RBR if Honda decides to leave.
- Honda money and manpower exceeds what Aston could bring to the table though.

Credit to anyone who may of beaten me to posting a similar article in any of the Honda realms here..

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by etusch » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:10 am

GhostF1 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 am
Reposting an article that was deleted due to as mentioned reasons above.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... a-quit-f1/

Important stuff.
- Aston Martin very happy with Honda and their involvement so far, want them to stay past 2021.
- Aston are ready to step up involvement and bring their own engine to RBR if Honda decides to leave.
- Honda money and manpower exceeds what Aston could bring to the table though.

Credit to anyone who may of beaten me to posting a similar article in any of the Honda realms here..
Maybe Honda is closed to what I am going to say but I think it would be good.
They can contribute Honda to spend more for f1 Engine development and also producing a sport car Engine.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:58 pm

GhostF1 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 am
Reposting an article that was deleted due to as mentioned reasons above.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... a-quit-f1/

Important stuff.
- Aston Martin very happy with Honda and their involvement so far, want them to stay past 2021.
- Aston are ready to step up involvement and bring their own engine to RBR if Honda decides to leave.
- Honda money and manpower exceeds what Aston could bring to the table though.

Credit to anyone who may of beaten me to posting a similar article in any of the Honda realms here..
Aston Martin must be joking if they, a small sportscar builder who don’t even design their own road car engines (much simpler tech) can design the hyper complicated F1 engines. Why even throw this out their. It is like me saying NASA has more pilots and money, but if they need a specialized austronaut to go to the moon I am ready to jump in.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Alexf1 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 pm

They dont have to. I think they will want to buy the Honda engine IP, English facility and hire consultants for development. By 2021 current engines will hopefully be mature and diverged.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:14 pm

Alexf1 wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:10 pm
They dont have to. I think they will want to buy the Honda engine IP, English facility and hire consultants for development. By 2021 current engines will hopefully be mature and diverged.
And who is going to do the R&D. Unless they hope for an engine freeze the R&D war goes on and the IP will be outdated and fallen behind in months.

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Re: General Honda F1 Topic

Post by Alexf1 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:15 pm

Illien