Silly Season 2018/2019

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by GrayGreat » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm

Ferrari will grow tired of Vettel's unforced errors under pressure (ala Singapore 2017, France 2018 and possibly more to come) which will cost them the championship and will get someone who can handle Ferrari's pressure, Alonso.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Jolle » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:58 pm

If Alonso skips next year to do other stuff and McLaren can’t get Ricciardo, how about a lucrative deal with Räikkönen? To keep their WC in a McLaren appeal for the potential sponsors.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by PlatinumZealot » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:05 am

langwadt wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:12 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:11 am
Give Perez a one year contract at Ferrari and Leclerc will do a year at Sauber which will be a faster car than the Haas nect year due to new Ferrari parts.
wouldn't Haas get the same new Ferrari parts?
Yes, but Sauber is better at setup. And Sauber chassis should be very good next year.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Ted68 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:39 am

Never going to happen, but I wish McLaren would just go ahead and change the team from the top down. Bring in a pair like Flavio Briatore and Ben Bowlby to build a team around Danny Ric, with a second driver like Sergio Perez. Send Brown and Alonso on their way with a completely separate Indy division, but get the F1 side focused on F1/P1 only.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by djos » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:00 am

I don't see Dan moving now, the noises he's making atm strongly indicate he just wants to be recognised for his worth.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by adrianjordan » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:40 am

Ted68 wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:39 am
Never going to happen, but I wish McLaren would just go ahead and change the team from the top down. Bring in a pair like Flavio Briatore and Ben Bowlby to build a team around Danny Ric, with a second driver like Sergio Perez. Send Brown and Alonso on their way with a completely separate Indy division, but get the F1 side focused on F1/P1 only.
Flavio Briatore has no place in F1 after 2008, let alone any place near Mclaren.

I agree, to an extent, about a top-down shake up, but FB is not the man and I think Zak Brown needs to be given more time yet.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Schuttelberg » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:52 am

GrayGreat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm
Ferrari will grow tired of Vettel's unforced errors under pressure (ala Singapore 2017, France 2018 and possibly more to come) which will cost them the championship and will get someone who can handle Ferrari's pressure, Alonso.
Yes, we all saw how the cookie crumbled under pressure in 2010 and 2012. It's okay to be critical of Seb because he's made errors in back to back championships but quite another to disrespect a four time world champion.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Schuttelberg » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:53 am

On a different tangent, is it just me or is there anyone else here who sees a lot of value in Magnussen? I think he's experienced and fast and just 25. May be I just love his out and out ballsy old school character. :D
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by NathanOlder » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:10 am

Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:52 am
GrayGreat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm
Ferrari will grow tired of Vettel's unforced errors under pressure (ala Singapore 2017, France 2018 and possibly more to come) which will cost them the championship and will get someone who can handle Ferrari's pressure, Alonso.
Yes, we all saw how the cookie crumbled under pressure in 2010 and 2012. It's okay to be critical of Seb because he's made errors in back to back championships but quite another to disrespect a four time world champion.
2010 he was the outsider/underdog even going in to the final race. The pressure was on the others.

2012 in Brazil he was immense under pressure though and pulled off an amazing recovery in that bomb proof car.

I have to say, Vettel gas cracked under pressure far more than I expected at Ferrari. Thats probably down to the pressures of driving the prancing horse compared to the RedBull.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by GrayGreat » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:10 am

Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:52 am
GrayGreat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm
Ferrari will grow tired of Vettel's unforced errors under pressure (ala Singapore 2017, France 2018 and possibly more to come) which will cost them the championship and will get someone who can handle Ferrari's pressure, Alonso.
Yes, we all saw how the cookie crumbled under pressure in 2010 and 2012. It's okay to be critical of Seb because he's made errors in back to back championships but quite another to disrespect a four time world champion.
First of all, I was not being disrespectful, in fact I am rooting for Vettel for this year's championship. Second, I only stated a fact, and that is, Vettel has made mistakes which probably cost him the '17 title. Third, you cannot compare '10 and '12 seasons to '17 and '18. The pressure of being in a championship fight while driving for Ferrari is enormous as compared to RedBull.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Big Tea » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:46 am

Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:53 am
On a different tangent, is it just me or is there anyone else here who sees a lot of value in Magnussen? I think he's experienced and fast and just 25. May be I just love his out and out ballsy old school character. :D
I think he is a very good 'number 2 driver' very much in the Button mold.

Good to be coupled with someone like Max to bring home constant points with little risk.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Zynerji » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:54 am

GrayGreat wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:10 am
Schuttelberg wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:52 am
GrayGreat wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm
Ferrari will grow tired of Vettel's unforced errors under pressure (ala Singapore 2017, France 2018 and possibly more to come) which will cost them the championship and will get someone who can handle Ferrari's pressure, Alonso.
Yes, we all saw how the cookie crumbled under pressure in 2010 and 2012. It's okay to be critical of Seb because he's made errors in back to back championships but quite another to disrespect a four time world champion.
First of all, I was not being disrespectful, in fact I am rooting for Vettel for this year's championship. Second, I only stated a fact, and that is, Vettel has made mistakes which probably cost him the '17 title. Third, you cannot compare '10 and '12 seasons to '17 and '18. The pressure of being in a championship fight while driving for Ferrari is enormous as compared to RedBull.
Better to have the driver throw away the championship through minute mistakes (Vettel) than have your team do it through strategy (Alonso x3).

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Phil » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:00 am

I’m fairly confident Dan will stay at RB, but is using the link to McLaren as a negotiation tactic.

Kimi and Bottas may be wanted too, especially at McLaren, due to some of the insight knowledge they bring with them. In the end though, im confident Alonso will leave F1 and McLaren may offer Kimi a 2 year deal. That will put Stoffel on the market, as they might put norris in the car too.

The free seat at Ferrari will probably go to Charles who will give Vettel a run. I think Mercedes will also keep Bottas for another 2 years.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Big Tea » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:08 am

Phil wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:00 am
I’m fairly confident Dan will stay at RB, but is using the link to McLaren as a negotiation tactic.

Kimi and Bottas may be wanted too, especially at McLaren, due to some of the insight knowledge they bring with them. In the end though, im confident Alonso will leave F1 and McLaren may offer Kimi a 2 year deal. That will put Stoffel on the market, as they might put norris in the car too.

The free seat at Ferrari will probably go to Charles who will give Vettel a run. I think Mercedes will also keep Bottas for another 2 years.
I agree with the Bottas part, what could Merc have wanted from him that he has not delivered when able, except not pushing it with an overtake maybe, but i think his job it to gather points not take risks when the other car is not winning.

While all the Media et al say C L to Ferrari, I have doubts. Ferrari have always been reputation conscious and like to take drivers 'with a good CV' for publicity reasons as much as for driving ability.
If you ran a chain of dealerships, would you prefer Kimi to turn up to your promotion or Charles? (OK, excepted in his home country)
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Phil » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:13 am

My hunch is that other teams are interested in Charles (e.g. Mercedes, especially now that Max is off the table) to buy him out / break contract with Ferrari. This i think will force Ferrari to act sooner than later to secure their investment.

A bit like when Jos Verstappen put pressure on RB to promote Max into the big team than keep him at TR. He was able to do that because other teams were showing interest in Max. The argument there was “give Max RB a redbull seat or we will entertain offers from other teams”.

I think the same his happening with Leclerc behind the scenes. If Ferrari dont jump, they may consider other options by other interested teams. This will force them into putting Charles into that 2nd Ferrari ultimately.

My take.
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