Silly Season 2018/2019

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Redragon » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:53 am

I wish Marchione all the best but his departure by health issues could open the doors to Alonso return, but I am still thinking he is going to Renault

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by GrayGreat » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:31 pm

After todays race, I will repeat what I said some time ago. Ferrari need someone like Alonso (and there is no one else on his level that can handle the pressure) to win the championship.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Fulcrum » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:36 pm

GrayGreat wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:31 pm
After todays race, I will repeat what I said some time ago. Ferrari need someone like Alonso (and there is no one else on his level that can handle the pressure) to win the championship.
Verstappen, but that won't happen. For a while anyway.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by GrayGreat » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:42 pm

Fulcrum wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:36 pm
GrayGreat wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:31 pm
After todays race, I will repeat what I said some time ago. Ferrari need someone like Alonso (and there is no one else on his level that can handle the pressure) to win the championship.
Verstappen, but that won't happen. For a while anyway.
RedBull and Ferrari are totally different. Verstappen handles pressure very well, but he is at RedBull, just like Vettel handled pressure at RedBull. They are very supportive of their 'favourite' drivers. Ferrari on the other hand, has its limits. Remember Arrivabene saying that 'Vettel has to earn his salary' ? Things like this matter a lot. And in my opinion, Verstappen is not ready for that just yet.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Big Tea » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:46 pm

GrayGreat wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:42 pm
Fulcrum wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:36 pm
GrayGreat wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:31 pm
After todays race, I will repeat what I said some time ago. Ferrari need someone like Alonso (and there is no one else on his level that can handle the pressure) to win the championship.
Verstappen, but that won't happen. For a while anyway.
RedBull and Ferrari are totally different. Verstappen handles pressure very well, but he is at RedBull, just like Vettel handled pressure at RedBull. They are very supportive of their 'favourite' drivers. Ferrari on the other hand, has its limits. Remember Arrivabene saying that 'Vettel has to earn his salary' ? Things like this matter a lot. And in my opinion, Verstappen is not ready for that just yet.

I may be wide of the mark, but I feel MAX is there because he wants to race. He does not care who, but he wants to race. Titles will come, and team orders will be accepted, but he is still in the having fun mindset.

When he grows up, he will not be so much fun. enjoy him now.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Jolle » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:00 pm

Big Tea wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:46 pm
GrayGreat wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:42 pm
Fulcrum wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:36 pm


Verstappen, but that won't happen. For a while anyway.
RedBull and Ferrari are totally different. Verstappen handles pressure very well, but he is at RedBull, just like Vettel handled pressure at RedBull. They are very supportive of their 'favourite' drivers. Ferrari on the other hand, has its limits. Remember Arrivabene saying that 'Vettel has to earn his salary' ? Things like this matter a lot. And in my opinion, Verstappen is not ready for that just yet.

I may be wide of the mark, but I feel MAX is there because he wants to race. He does not care who, but he wants to race. Titles will come, and team orders will be accepted, but he is still in the having fun mindset.

When he grows up, he will not be so much fun. enjoy him now.
It will take some more time indeed. So far VER has been the underdog and that is a very different pressure when you know you have (one of the) fastest cars and the team demands you to win (almost). The few times VER was in this position, monaco this year comes to mind, he flinched.

Vettel's weakpoint are still these moments, split seconds.... which Hamilton really hasn't got anymore. As for Alonso, it's been a while back he's been under real presssure... last time he had one of the fastest cars, was 2010? stuck behind Petrov? :D

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by adrianjordan » Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:12 pm

No way is Kimi staying at Ferrari.

The radio exchange today was all about making it clear to other teams that he was being made to give up the place.

That's my opinion anyway.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:26 pm

If Vettel drops the ball on this year's championship I expect people at Ferrari are going to start questioning whether he's the right number 1 driver for their championship push. 2 huge mistakes last year and 3 already this season, throwing away bags of points. Ferrari have somehow come out of nowhere to challenge for the championship during the last 2 seasons, but surely they're looking at all these points they've been throwing away and scratching their heads.

Saying that, I think vettel composed himself brilliantly during the interview, but that composure would've probably been of better use in the car...

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Manoah2u » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:16 am

Even Schumacher and Senna made costly mistakes, let's not get too ahead of ourselves now.
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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Vasconia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:26 am

What about Sainz and Renault? I hear rumours about him leaving the team. It sounds weird because the team was very happy with him and he seemed to be happy too. Last two races have been difficult for him so I guess this situation may be affecting him.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:38 pm

Manoah2u wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:16 am
Even Schumacher and Senna made costly mistakes, let's not get too ahead of ourselves now.
Maybe we could get some statistics, but my gut feeling is that he's been making more mistakes than other drivers in similar positions. Seems to let pressure get to him. It correlates with what his teammates have said in the past (Webber, DC). Or look at it from Ferrari's side. They somehow pulled two championship contender cars out of the bag, they aren't going to allow driver mistakes to ruin a championship. Especially when the guy in the other rival car is making way fewer mistakes.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by marvin78 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:40 pm

The other guy yesterday made the same mistake as Vettel. The corner was another and so it did not affect his race. I don't want to say that you are not right but sometimes it's the perspective that is wrong. I am not a driver fan and I don't understand why one is and so I look different on things. I don't see that one of the mentioned driver makes more errors than the other.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by alexx_88 » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:52 pm

I wouldn't say it's the same degree of error. Every driver knows, when they approach a corner, the degree of error that the corner allows and push accordingly. That's why you see them going very wide on the kerbs where there are tarmac run-offs, but tread cautiously if instead of tarmac, there's gravel. A great racing driver needs to be able to balance out risk and reward. It would be silly to treat all corners the same, no matter the risks.

On its own, yesterday's error wouldn't mean much. But it fits into the same pattern with Baku 2018, French GP 2018, Singapore 2017, Baku 2017 and so on. Of course it's not easy, but that's why Vettel earns 10-40x more compared to another driver for maybe just 1-2 tenths in normal conditions. To extract maximum out of the car in difficult conditions and when under a lot of pressure.

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by HPD » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:14 pm

The sale of FI will affect Sainz.
Ocon = French driver, Renault = French team. According to Amus, Ocon is already talking to Renault about a place.

Sainz could return to TR or go to Mclaren. That leaves Vandoorne without a seat by 2019.
But Amus says that Vandoorne can go to Williams.
And if Mclaren does not give Lando Norris a seat in 2019, he'll probably go to TR. And Hartley is out
(Obviously Lance Stroll will go to FI)
I do not understand anything :lol:

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Re: Silly Season 2018/2019

Post by Big Tea » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:15 pm

just wondering aloud like, but if Red Bull were to buy up either Fi or Williams (if they lose Strol money, they are in danger) what could they do with the engine contract?
Would it have to stay with FI? or is it transferable to Red Bull?
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