Armori Steele selling Senna's crashed FW16 Imola nosecone for $120,000 but there's a catch

[gold333]

https://armoristeele.com/en/news/ayrton ... old-plated


Here's the catch:

It's actually from a 1995 FW17 - 1997 FW19.

Wow. Are people really dumb enough to part with $120,000 and buy these fake items from Armori Steele, before looking at pictures on the internet?

Item for sale:


Senna at Imola on May 1st 1994


FW17


FW18


A 1997 FW19

[DiogoBrand]

If I had 120 000 moneys, I'd sooner pay not to own a part of that car than to own it. Why pay so much for something that would actually make me sad? Collectors are weird sometimes.

Edit:
But to be fair I'm not sure if you're right, that sharp edge I pointed at doesn't seem to be present on the nose of the 1997 car.

Also, if you're competent enough to have so much money that you can spare 120 000 dollars on a useless piece of junk like that, I'd expect you to be smart enough to expect some sort of documentation that verifies that you're buying a genuine item.

[gold333]

Edit:
But to be fair I'm not sure if you're right, that sharp edge I pointed at doesn't seem to be present on the nose of the 1997 car.
https://i.imgur.com/V2WZ0b2.png

It is.

The image is just rotated laterally.

The sharp edge you mention is marked in the red circle. Both holes are marked by the yellow arrows and even the little indent on the edge between the arrows is in the same place.



The left side is even cut off, perhaps to hide the fact that it came off a high nose car and to simulate it getting damaged in Senna's crash, because he hit the wall on the left side.

It's comical because if you watch the accident the nose cone comes off intact and tumbles to the other side of the track.

[Manoah2u]

that's actually committing fraud if it's true. i think you're right, looks exactly like what you are pointing out.

[Manoah2u]

i've written the official Senna website about it, let's see what they'll respond with.

[gold333]

Great job on contacting the Senna people!

Yeah.

Here's a guide to make it clearer for those who have trouble:


Item for sale:




1997 FW19:




1994 FW16:

[Manoah2u]

for reference, some close ups of a correct 1994 nosecone





the slots in the side of the nosecone are completely different. it's not a 1994 nosecone they're selling and thus indeed, is a scam.

[Just_a_fan]

Write to Amori Steele and tell them why you think it's not Senna car. Tell them that unless they can show that it is, you will contact the local enforcement authorities to report that fraud might be in progress.

It's entirely possible that Amori Steele bought the piece in good faith and are, themselves, victims of fraud.

[gold333]

You can even see that the two narrower drill holes on the item they are selling (in between and perpendicular to the two larger holes) exist on the FW19, but are covered up by two small round blue decals. You can see the tiny blue circular stickers on the FW19 image above.

It's a 100% match with FW17 - FW19.

[gold333]

Write to Amori Steele and tell them why you think it's not Senna car. Tell them that unless they can show that it is, you will contact the local enforcement authorities to report that fraud might be in progress.

It's entirely possible that Amori Steele bought the piece in good faith and are, themselves, victims of fraud.

I don't know if Amori Steele is related to The Memorabilia Experience and Memorabilia Experts, also a Canadian motorsports memorabilia company/ies, like Amori Steele.


TME is known to sell fake memorabilia to fans. E.g. Signed Senna items that were made after his death, etc.

It's infuriating when you know the tricks they have pulled to try to fool people.

Take this, what appears to be a 1993 Mclaren MP4/8 steering wheel used by Senna. Selling for $34,500 by Memorabilia Experts.



I know it's probably fake because:

-It isn't an original bespoke Nardi wheel made for Mclaren between 1993 and 1994
-It doesn't have the double stitching
-The areas where the spokes join the rim are not delineated
-It is a bad copy of the real Nardi bespoke wheel
-The rear button rack isn't carbon fibre
-This type of oval wheel was only featured on the MP4/8 and MP4/9
-The button position marked as low drag Senna used a tel. clear button
-It is far too small and thick for a Senna wheel. Senna exclusively used large diameter, thin rimmed steering wheels. This size is a Hill or Mansell size.

This is the real one:



PS: and you gotta love the black marker pen and "signed" visor in the background of the image.

[DiogoBrand]

Edit:
But to be fair I'm not sure if you're right, that sharp edge I pointed at doesn't seem to be present on the nose of the 1997 car.
https://i.imgur.com/V2WZ0b2.png

It is.

The image is just rotated laterally.

The sharp edge you mention is marked in the red circle. Both holes are marked by the yellow arrows and even the little indent on the edge between the arrows is in the same place.

https://i.imgur.com/uh0K3tO.jpg

They even cut off the left side to hide the fact that it came off a high nose car and to simulate it getting damaged in Senna's crash, because he hit the wall on the left side.

It's comical because if you watch the accident the nose cone comes off intact and tumbles to the other side of the track.

People like this make me sick.

You're right, I was looking for it at the wrong place, but now I can agree that it's fake.

[NathanOlder]

They replied to my email saying it changed ownership in december 2017 and they no longer have it.

[gold333]

This story should really be featured on the F1 websites.

[Maritimer]

The 94 car didn't even have all the cam locks in the side, top were forward facing. This is gross.

[Manoah2u]

They replied to my email saying it changed ownership in december 2017 and they no longer have it.

yeah, i noticed it was december 2017 on the website, so i was actually doubtfull whether they still had it,
but it seems somebody has taken the bait.

what a world.