Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

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Are Schumacher's WDC and Win records under threat of being eclipsed?

Will the 7 WDC record be broken?
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Will the 91 Victory record be broken?
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Neither record will be broken.
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Both records will be broken.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Pyrone89 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:05 pm

Both records will be broken easily thanks to the unparalled rocketship the Mercedes car and operations have been for the last 6 years and probably coming years. There has never been a team both so dominant (except maybe 1988 Mclaren if we get 1 more non-Merc victory) and for so long (Ferrari was 5 years but only 2 or 3 dominant, RBR was 4 years but only 2 were dominant).
LH is a great driver but pretty much any other A-level driver with a B-level teammate would string together the titles and wins in this environment

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Many thought the Mercedes was always faster than Ferrari in recent years until we see Leclerc in it.

Ferrari fastest 2015, 2017, 2018.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Big Tea » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:27 pm

More GP per year now makes it easier. Not that Hamilton would not do it anyway, just easier.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by NathanOlder » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:23 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:23 pm
Many thought the Mercedes was always faster than Ferrari in recent years until we see Leclerc in it.

Ferrari fastest 2015, 2017, 2018.
17 and 18 I'm almost sure Hamilton would have won the title in the Ferrari. Vettel ran him close and its clear Vettel isn't on Hamiltons level.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm

Big Tea wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:27 pm
More GP per year now makes it easier. Not that Hamilton would not do it anyway, just easier.
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:55 pm

Big Tea wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:27 pm
More GP per year now makes it easier. Not that Hamilton would not do it anyway, just easier.
It makes it easier to get numbers of wins, not to get titles. So it's swings and roundabouts.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm

TAG wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:06 am

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:23 pm
Many thought the Mercedes was always faster than Ferrari in recent years until we see Leclerc in it.

Ferrari fastest 2015, 2017, 2018.
Joling right?
Perhaps 2018 im some races, I give you that. But 2017 and especially 2015? :lol:

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Pyrone89 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:07 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm
TAG wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
Yet alot more competitiom from other teams in his time (only 2002 and 2004 were dominant)

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:29 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm
TAG wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
That's for a different thread, we're just talking numbers here. :wink:
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by PlatinumZealot » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:48 am

Pyrone89 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:06 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:23 pm
Many thought the Mercedes was always faster than Ferrari in recent years until we see Leclerc in it.

Ferrari fastest 2015, 2017, 2018.
Joling right?
Perhaps 2018 im some races, I give you that. But 2017 and especially 2015? :lol:
Yeah 2015 is a bit of stretch but i think it was possible if the car was developed to challenge.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:08 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm
TAG wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
Is "Wingman" the right word? This is james here.... :wink:

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:14 am

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:08 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm
TAG wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:31 pm
That's a fair statement but when you look at the races to 91, Schumacher did it in 248 races, Hamilton is now at 239 races, so it's close even if you measure it apples to apples.
One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
Is "Wingman" the right word? This is james here.... :wink:
Nicely out of context.

Schumacher had contractual number one status. His team mates were contractually required to get out of the way.

Compare Austria 2002 with Hungary 2017.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:25 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:14 am
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:08 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:57 pm

One had contractually compliant team mates too... :wink:
Is "Wingman" the right word? This is james here.... :wink:
Nicely out of context.

Schumacher had contractual number one status. His team mates were contractually required to get out of the way.

Compare Austria 2002 with Hungary 2017.
Why not compare Austria 2002 to Germany and Russia 2018? Can you compare US GP 2002 to anything between Lewis and his team mate?

Bottas was openly used as a road block in Spain and Malaysia 2017 and in Hungary and Italy 2018. How many incidents you can count of Schumacher's team mates having been used as a road block to let Michael win?

Till date, no one has seen either Michael's or Barrichello's contracts. People have made this "Contractually Obligated" thing because of the way a weaker team mate was handled by Ferrari to focus on their stronger driver. A stronger driver will emerge out of the shadow of the No. 1 driver, like Leclerc has been doing, despite Binnotto having clearly said, Vettel is their priority. People like Irvines and Barrichellos were just poor drivers who couldn't make use of the equipment they had, just like Bottas.

I never thought there was anything wrong in having a No. 1 and No. 2 drivers as there is only one title of WDC. Whether Ferrari favoring Michael all those years or Mercedes having done that with Bottas, is actually in the best interest of the team. Team doesn't get extra prize money for letting their two drivers race and it's NOT on a team to put up a show between team mates. Only some people have this fascination to use the "Contractual" thingy to pull down Michael's achievement, like you do time and again. None of that crap of No.2 OR "Wingman" thing would lower the stature of either Schumacher or Lewis.

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:25 pm
Only some people have this fascination to use the "Contractual" thingy to pull down Michael's achievement.
Remember when Ferrari's "VETO" was something no one had seen either? We're comparing numbers, not how they got there. Since there's only Michael and Lewis to compare in this rarefied space, you don't get there without some of those questions. The only apples to apples comparison we can draw is that Schumacher never had a team mate win a championship.
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