Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

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Are Schumacher's WDC and Win records under threat of being eclipsed?

Will the 7 WDC record be broken?
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Will the 91 Victory record be broken?
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Neither record will be broken.
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Both records will be broken.
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Total votes: 107

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:53 pm

TAG wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 pm
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Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:25 pm
Only some people have this fascination to use the "Contractual" thingy to pull down Michael's achievement.
The only apples to apples comparison we can draw is that Schumacher never had a team mate win a championship.
Does it matter? When Ferrari signed Michael, they were one of the worst teams on the grid who were dumped by the likes of Mansell and Prost. The only goal that Ferrari had, was to win a championship and the only top guy who accepted the offer, was Michael. It was because of his influence was that, Brawn and Byrne joined Ferrari. Once the core was set, there was only one goal and that was to win driver's championship as Ferrari never prioritized constructor's championship so there was never a need to pair him with another champion. That craziness was well deserved by Ron Dennis, who was the reason why Lewis got champion team mates. Did he beat all of them to distinguish himself apart? You know the answer.

Would Lewis have left a team where he would have won back to back titles and had the audacity to go to a struggling team?

He left McLaren out of frustration of not being able to win another championship, just like Senna left. When Lewis switched to Mercedes, Nico was a nobody and it was purely because of Mercedes' rules of engagement which made Nico looked as competitive as he appeared and it was primarily because of Lewis' reliability nightmare due to which Nico could win that championship. Lewis was lucky that Brawn had already prepared the team for an upcoming domination.
Link -> Hamilton 'rolled his eyes' at Mercedes option - Ecclestone
But with the Red Bull door closed to Hamilton, Ecclestone revealed he personally advised the highly rated British driver to consider Mercedes.

"Why not talk to Mercedes, Lewis?" he recalls saying.

"Lewis rolled his eyes ... but I told him that he had nothing to lose as he wanted out of McLaren," said Ecclestone.
Couldn't Michael have beaten another champion as his team mate? Anybody's guess. Is that a yard stick to measure his talent, absolutely NO. Will that make him any lesser of a legend than Lewis, hell NO.

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:16 pm

Coulthard stated that he declined a drive with Ferrari because the contract demanded he be the defined no. 2 driver to Schumacher.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:53 pm

Couldn't Michael have beaten another champion as his team mate? Anybody's guess. Is that a yard stick to measure his talent, absolutely NO. Will that make him any lesser of a legend than Lewis, hell NO.
Hamilton has driven against and beaten 3 world champions so far...
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:24 pm

Out of curiosity how did you guys vote in the poll? I went with breaking the win record, but not the title record.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:32 pm

I went with win record too.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Titchener » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:34 pm

TAG wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:24 pm
Out of curiosity how did you guys vote in the poll? I went with breaking the win record, but not the title record.


I voted both. Unless Mercedes fall of a cliff I can't see why it's not achievable.

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:53 pm

Couldn't Michael have beaten another champion as his team mate? Anybody's guess. Is that a yard stick to measure his talent, absolutely NO. Will that make him any lesser of a legend than Lewis, hell NO.
Hamilton has driven against and beaten 3 world champions so far...
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by dans79 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:55 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
he beat Alonso, that's why if you look at the official records his name is above alonso's. Perhaps you should go read the rules on how ties are broken!

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:53 pm

Couldn't Michael have beaten another champion as his team mate? Anybody's guess. Is that a yard stick to measure his talent, absolutely NO. Will that make him any lesser of a legend than Lewis, hell NO.
Hamilton has driven against and beaten 3 world champions so far...
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
I think it's best to not bring up anything other than the numbers. Schumacher was trounced by Rossberg.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:01 pm

dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:55 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
he beat Alonso, that's why if you look at the official records his name is above alonso's. Perhaps you should go read the rules on how ties are broken!
It's debate that would never end. I myself can argue both sides as I am a fan of both of them. In this instance, as you have taken Lewis' side, I would say, no driver has ever competed with his own team and yet come out on even points. Considering such difficult atmosphere where FIA had to be present to ensure the car was all taken care of, was a mammoth effort! Imagine on fair terms how the result would have fared.

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:03 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:01 pm
dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:55 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
he beat Alonso, that's why if you look at the official records his name is above alonso's. Perhaps you should go read the rules on how ties are broken!
It's debate that would never end. I myself can argue both sides as I am a fan of both of them. In this instance, as you have taken Lewis' side, I would say, no driver has ever competed with his own team and yet come out on even points. Considering such difficult atmosphere where FIA had to be present to ensure the car was all taken care of, was a mammoth effort! Imagine on fair terms how the result would have fared.
Tit for tat, Imagine if McLaren had given Hamilton the data about the rear wing they withheld and gave to Button. Stick to the numbers, it's easier to celebrate the achievements of both that way.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by sosic2121 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:04 pm

dans79 wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:55 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
he beat Alonso, that's why if you look at the official records his name is above alonso's. Perhaps you should go read the rules on how ties are broken!
I would rather say they both lost.

Maybe you should ask yourself if he would "beat" him with dirty moves.
Alonso is is portrayed as villan, but you tend to forget why he blocked him in Hungary...

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by GPR -A » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:05 pm

TAG wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:20 pm

Hamilton has driven against and beaten 3 world champions so far...
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
I think it's best to not bring up anything other than the numbers. Schumacher was trounced by Rossberg.
Best not to bring up anything else, as it suits the statement you are going to make? That's what you had to resort to? A 40+ old legend, nothing to prove to anyone, having a leisure time in F1 against an upstart, desperate to make a mark. That's just hillarious. :lol:

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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by TAG » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:08 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:05 pm
TAG wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pm
GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
I think it's best to not bring up anything other than the numbers. Schumacher was trounced by Rossberg.
That's what you had to resort to? A 40+ old legend, nothing to prove to anyone, having a leisure time in F1 against a rookie desperate to make a mark. That's just hillarious. :lol:
What's the difference Button beating Hamilton in points in a season dominated by Red Bull with nothing to gain by it? You're the one making the comparisons. Schumacher got to 91 faster, that's something concrete that we can all agree on. The rest is opinion, and nothing more.
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Re: Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:13 pm

GPR -A wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 pm
Was level on points with Alonso, got beaten by Jenson in 2011 and also got beaten by Nico in 2016. Doesn't look very impressive. Does it? Even stevens at best. Wouldn't Michael have managed that? Might have bettered it.
Beat Alonso by finishing higher in the standings (out qualified him too). Beat Button more often than was beaten (outqualified him too). Beat Rosberg more often than was beaten (outqualified him too). Hence he beat three champions and outqualified all three too. He drove two champions to run away - one went elsewhere, one retired because he knew he couldn't perform at the level required to do it again.

Rosberg beat Schumacher each season they were together. So your last point isn't even close.
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