Silly Season 2020/2021 (starting with silliness in 2019)

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There are not enough cars on the grid, man!
Hulk pushed out last year and now Vettel or Perez? It is such a dilemma...
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6 of 12 wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 23:53
There are not enough cars on the grid, man!
Hulk pushed out last year and now Vettel or Perez? It is such a dilemma...
Perez back to Sauber, with an added bonus he can teach those Ferrari young guns how to manage tires?

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There is a high possibility ‘Vettel’ replacing ‘Lance’ (if these rumors of Vettel signing AM are true).
Stroll Sr. is not just a Racing Point team owner; he also needs to report to AM Board of Shareholders (he is not the only owner nor has absolute power), so needs to find what would be a better economic interest for the business: pay Vettel + buyout Checo + pay Checo for 2020 + lose Checo’s sponsorship money for 2021-2022 + Loose opportunity for service of 2 highly skilled potent drivers OR find a seat for Lance in ‘DTM’ or ‘Indycar’ racing.

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I bet AM will not replace Perez. It is just a gossip. why they need to replace with Vettel? They are happy with Perez performance. I would think Vettel may take 1 year leave and try to come to RB or AM in 2022 after rule change however what he proved in F1 after getting 4 WCC? What he will have in his resume after getting 4WCC. Nothing... right? so it is very difficult.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 20:36

Toys out of the pram means whining with no base.
I think Max had a very good reason to be absolutely livid.
Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 19:44
Displeasure with the Renault shitbox? 100%
Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 18:17
You meant that. That is not so toys out of pram (Alonso vs Honda) that is a fiery driver expecting perfection from the whole team.


So Max with RBR/Renault was right because it was a shitbox, but Alonso with McLaren/Honda was not because it was not a shitbox, right???

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Andres125sx wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 08:13
Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 20:36

Toys out of the pram means whining with no base.
I think Max had a very good reason to be absolutely livid.
Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 19:44
Displeasure with the Renault shitbox? 100%
Pyrone89 wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 18:17
You meant that. That is not so toys out of pram (Alonso vs Honda) that is a fiery driver expecting perfection from the whole team.


So Max with RBR/Renault was right because it was a shitbox, but Alonso with McLaren/Honda was not because it was not a shitbox, right???
Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.

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LOL, VET having the last laugh.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 23:52
MtthsMlw wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 18:49
So German media (BILD) is reporting that a move from Vettel to RP (Aston Martin in 2021) is almost done.

They had to fire Perez (contract till 2022) though.
How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.

And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.

The beers are on Sergio! :lol:
According to the article around 10 million. A release clause that has to be taken before the 31st of this month in order to terminate the contract after this season.
Wonder where they get specific information like this from :lol:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 23:52
How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.

And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.
Red Bull - Honda =D> =D> =D>

Perez would be an excellent signing as a second driver. Fast, consistent, reliable points scorer... What's not to like?

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JordanMugen wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 10:50
Just_a_fan wrote:
14 Jul 2020, 23:52
How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.

And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.
Red Bull - Honda =D> =D> =D>

Perez would be an excellent signing as a second driver. Fast, consistent, reliable points scorer... What's not to like?
Well, he might not see himself as a second driver so there's that issue. :wink:
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FrukostScones wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 09:56
LOL, VET having the last laugh.
I wouldn't call getting kicked out of Ferrari into a midfield team "the last laugh" :)

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DChemTech wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 09:22


Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.

What fundamental changes did Honda do to their PU when they switched from McLaren to RBR?

Anycase the point was McLaren/Honda was underperforming much more, not even comparable to RBR/Renault, so if someone accept Max rants about Renault, he should accept Alonso rants about Honda too. Or criticize both, but accepting Max one while criticizing Alonso seems extremely biased

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Andres125sx wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 11:29
DChemTech wrote:
15 Jul 2020, 09:22


Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.

What fundamental changes did Honda do to their PU when they switched from McLaren to RBR?

Anycase the point was McLaren/Honda was underperforming much more, not even comparable to RBR/Renault, so if someone accept Max rants about Renault, he should accept Alonso rants about Honda too. Or criticize both, but accepting Max one while criticizing Alonso seems extremely biased
I don't know what specific changes they made and that was not what I tried to say, in any case, sorry if that was unclear. What I meant was that (allegedly, based on the information I saw), RBR gave Honda more room to create their engine as they saw fit, and were more about building the car around the engine. Even if that was largely the same engine, they may have given it more room to breathe, been more conservative in packaging, etc.

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Manoah2u wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 21:01
Just_a_fan wrote:
13 Jul 2020, 17:45

The reality is that Mercedes don't care about spectacular battles or excitement. And they're honest enough to know that it is a "German car" in name only. Did they make more of Rosberg's [German] title than any of Hamilton's Mercedes-related titles?

I'm amazed that people still come out with this stuff - the team doesn't want the stuff that you or I might want. They just want to rack up wins. They don't want excitement because excitement is stressful and extremely risky for them. A bit of to-and-fro with another team is ok and they can handle that, but a season long battle between team mates is the worst thing for any team because of the risk of DNFs, the damage to intra-team relationships and morale.
*cough cough*
Wolff: Vettel at Mercedes ‘good marketing’

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says it would be a good marketing opportunity to have four-time champ Sebastian Vettel at the team.

Wolff hasn’t ruled out approaching Vettel, believing having the superstar German driver at the German Mercedes team would be good marketing.

“Of course a German driver in a German car is a good marketing story,” he told Austrian broadcaster ORF.
“At Mercedes, however, we are purely focused on success, but Sebastian is of course someone who is really good.”

Toto Wolff says Mercedes interest in Sebastian Vettel not lip service

Toto Wolff said Mercedes "owe it" to Sebastian Vettel to consider the four-time Formula One world champion if they have a seat to fill next season.

Silver Arrows duo Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas are only contracted until December, although talks with the defending champion are expected to be held once the season starts and the Finn is also tipped to stay on.

Mercedes boss Wolff said it would be remiss of the constructors champions to dismiss the prospect of signing Vettel, however, citing Nico Rosberg's sudden retirement in 2016 as proof that anything can happen.

He said: "It's not lip service, but we owe it to a four-time champion not to come out and say straight away, 'No'. You need to think about it.

"On the other side, we have a fantastic line-up and I've very happy with both our pilots and George [Russell], but you never know. One of them may decide he doesn't want to go racing anymore and suddenly you have a vacant spot.

"This is why I don't want to come out in June and say, 'No chance, Sebastian is not racing for us'.

"I wouldn't do it to him as a driver, to be that blunt, and on the otherwise side, I've seen black swans appearing when nobody suspected - remember Nico Rosberg.

but hey i'm sure you know better than Toto himself.
*Cough* negotiation tacticts *cough*

Replacing Hamilton with Vettel? Yeah sure. Toto is intelligent enough to know not to put all eggs in one basket, because if they do and Hamilton decides to quit, you might end up in a bad situation. So sure, it would be daft not to have friendly talks with Vettel. Anyone would be stupid not to. Also puts more pressure on Hamilton. Doesnt mean Hamilton isnt the number 1 candidate they want, but maybe they want Hamilton for more than just a year or they want to pay less. Vettel is a brilliant negotiation chip.

After that wet qualifying session last weekend though - would you really want anyone else in that seat then possibly the very best driver?
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buddy, i don't think you fully understand the point. It's not about replacing hamilton at all. Wolff himself mentioned that there IS the lingering scenario that either of the drivers, whether that be Lewis or Valterri, suddenly decides to quite - like Rosberg did for example. Or that they suddenly jump ship to another team - like Vettel left RBR 'suddenly.

That scenario is what they have in mind and with that in mind they need to negotiate and concider Vettel. They could do such by making sure he's 'under their wings' so that would mean Mercedes/AstonMartin/Williams. That way, if a spot turns up, they can swiftly put him in the car.

Apart from that, there is still the question whether they will continue with Bottas. Hamilton is not even a question, that is all up to him whether he stays or goes. Bottas is doing pretty good, let that be clear. But will Bottas stay if he plays second fiddle again and realizes he's never gonna get a WDC under his belt with Lewis there? In Bottas case, it's the question whether Bottas wants to stay, AND if Mercedes wants him to stay.

So there is zero talk about Hamilton being replaced by Vettel, that is not even up for debate, that doesnt happen (UNLESS Hamilton calls it quits) It's about what to do with the second seat.
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