"Do as I say, not as I do", as the saying goes.Capharol wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 16:46
but these kind of post is what the mods always trying to prevent .... rousing, provocative ones with which driver is better.
now you post a similar thing because the last sentence is just doing this... provoke a discussion on which driver is better and we all know these kind of discussion get overheated
of course you have an opinion, thats human and you are free to say your opinion but i find it a bit strange that you write a sentence that can be provocative and cause a heated discussion which the Mods are trying to prevent ....aral wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 17:25"but these kind of post is what the mods always trying to prevent .... rousing, provocative ones with which driver is better.
now you post a similar thing because the last sentence is just doing this... provoke a discussion on which driver is better and we all know these kind of discussion get overheated"
well , as an individual, i do have an opinion, and as the previous dozen or so posts were on this issue, i felt it is fair to comment !
"Seb obviously is good enough to beat anybody, if he has a better car and with that strong back end, but in Seb's car Lewis would've won 2017 and 18"
and there is the substantiation ! How any person can say what would have happened , is beyond comprehension !
right person in the right car at the right time = wdc. and that is the case since F1 began and in GP before that.
but you are probably right....all this has nothing to do with the silly season, so maybe i should put my mod hat back on?
this saying is not familiar to me, but i think i understand what you are trying to say
my dad was a mod on the Autosport forum and he says this was the hardest thing, having to be soooo unnaturally perfect in your actual own F1 posting! So that's coolaral wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 17:25"but these kind of post is what the mods always trying to prevent .... rousing, provocative ones with which driver is better.
now you post a similar thing because the last sentence is just doing this... provoke a discussion on which driver is better and we all know these kind of discussion get overheated"
well , as an individual, i do have an opinion, and as the previous dozen or so posts were on this issue, i felt it is fair to comment !
"Seb obviously is good enough to beat anybody, if he has a better car and with that strong back end, but in Seb's car Lewis would've won 2017 and 18"
and there is the substantiation ! How any person can say what would have happened , is beyond comprehension !
right person in the right car at the right time = wdc. and that is the case since F1 began and in GP before that.
but you are probably right....all this has nothing to do with the silly season, so maybe i should put my mod hat back on?
I can't understand this nostalgia for Alonso from so many people...don't know what you remember from him! Overdriving a Mclaren-Honda while battling mid-field drivers?? Losing 2007, 2010 and 2012 titles because what? Weren't his cars fast enough?? Or wasn't he overdriving his cars back then?selvam_e2002 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 06:39spot on. Agree with you 100%. It is difficult to handle Lec and pressure from Ferrari. Better be where you are.raymondu999 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 03:53I don’t think Lewis will perform to the same level in Ferrari as he has done in the Merc, tbh. Ferrari seem unable to provide that warmth/comfort/belonging to their drivers on which Hamilton seemingly to me has thrived on at Mercedes. Much like Vettel thrived on at Red Bull.
Hamilton has had moments of anger/mini-tantrums - complaining about wrong strategy, wrong tyres etc, and the Merc team has held his hand and guided him through those moments. That will not be available at Ferrari.
If he comes into a 2019-type ferrari (competitively) where it is sort of a distant 2nd best, we could see him - imo - in a situation like 2010. Some flawless races (Lewis always has at least a couple every year) but a couple of moments where he has felt the need to overdrive which has caused mistakes.
I’m not saying he isn’t a great driver which he obviously is - but I dont think he will be a goodfit for Ferrari. In hindsight, neither was Vettel.
If car is not good, Hamilton cannot extract full performance from the car. The only person who can help ferrari is Alonso or look wing man for Lec in 2021.
Even if they have Wingman to lec I don't believe they can win 2021 and beyond. The only chance would be after 2025 role change.
aral wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 16:35that sort of comment does not hold up ! Vettel was able to beat Hamilton four years on the trot. what was the reason for that apart from driving skill?....vettel had a better and more reliable car. now hamilton is in a better and more reliable car, so he is winning. that does not mean that one driver is better than the other. it should also be remembered that vettel won four titles in a row....hamilton has not done that yet.NathanOlder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2019, 00:39Next year will be very telling, If Vettel can get close to Leclerc again, then Lewis will know that he has a very good chance to beat Leclerc. As its clear as day that over the last 3 years, Lewis is head and shoulders above Seb.
this is a nice post . yes it's good for Lewis and Ferrari isn't it, for the reasons you say exactly, plus a great story for the media. Charles is managed by Nicolas Todt isn't he so he will for sure be looking for a huge pay rise! Huge going on galacticWynters wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 13:07Hamilton to Ferrari is certainly a possibility but I can't help but think it's being played up because both Hamilton and Ferrari benefit from the idea being talked about. Hamilton does because he's negotiating a new contract and creating a phantom competitive offer encourages Mercedes to up their bid for him. Ferrari benefit because a) they are portrayed as an attractive destination for a six-time WDC and b) because it gives them the possibility of a bit of leverage over their own drivers should they be pushing to renegotiate contracts (although I think Leclerc is too young to be manipulated that way and Vettel too wise).
In terms of Vettel and his seat, this is an absolutely key moment for him, a moment he's not had to face since he entered F1 (if ever). He's just been beaten by someone in the same car, despite being lead driver and with all the advantages that brings. When he lost to Ricciardo, he was heading to Ferrari and could probably justify it to himself. Now, there's no excuses. The question for me is, how will Vettel respond? Will he dig deep, cross-examine himself to find where and how he needs to improve and then put in the work to do that? Leclerc might be the best thing that's happened to Vettel since he won his 4th WDC. I'm really excited to see which Vettel turns up in Australia in a few months time.
For many, many years I´ve never, ever sat down and considered other options because we´ve been just driving straight ahead into the path that we´ve been on…,” revealed the Briton after winning the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
“I know Toto is also looking at his options in terms of his future. So I´m waiting to see what he´s doing with that,” he added.
I can't understand this nostalgia for Alonso from so many people...don't know what you remember from him! Overdriving a Mclaren-Honda while battling mid-field drivers?? Losing 2007, 2010 and 2012 titles because what? Weren't his cars fast enough?? Or wasn't he overdriving his cars back then?
Check out my signature! Until Vettel does what it says he will never beat LeClerc.Wynters wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 13:07Hamilton to Ferrari is certainly a possibility but I can't help but think it's being played up because both Hamilton and Ferrari benefit from the idea being talked about. Hamilton does because he's negotiating a new contract and creating a phantom competitive offer encourages Mercedes to up their bid for him. Ferrari benefit because a) they are portrayed as an attractive destination for a six-time WDC and b) because it gives them the possibility of a bit of leverage over their own drivers should they be pushing to renegotiate contracts (although I think Leclerc is too young to be manipulated that way and Vettel too wise).
In terms of Vettel and his seat, this is an absolutely key moment for him, a moment he's not had to face since he entered F1 (if ever). He's just been beaten by someone in the same car, despite being lead driver and with all the advantages that brings. When he lost to Ricciardo, he was heading to Ferrari and could probably justify it to himself. Now, there's no excuses. The question for me is, how will Vettel respond? Will he dig deep, cross-examine himself to find where and how he needs to improve and then put in the work to do that? Leclerc might be the best thing that's happened to Vettel since he won his 4th WDC. I'm really excited to see which Vettel turns up in Australia in a few months time.
Incoming!! DuckBig Tea wrote: ↑03 Dec 2019, 18:10I can't understand this nostalgia for Alonso from so many people...don't know what you remember from him! Overdriving a Mclaren-Honda while battling mid-field drivers?? Losing 2007, 2010 and 2012 titles because what? Weren't his cars fast enough?? Or wasn't he overdriving his cars back then?
On our topic, Hamilton i believe has no need to go to Ferrari and he has spoken of loyalty after he retires, refering to how Mercedes treats its drivers after retirement so it seems he wants to stay with Mercedes!
The only way he could go to Ferrari is if Mercedes decides to retire! I don't know i just feel they themselves don't know for sure what they will do after 2020! Wolff and Hamilton both speaking of each other's future plans and waiting on what the other will do seems like something is going on behind closed doors! But why would Mercedes leave F1??
Hamilton back to Mclaren-Mercedes?? Do you guys believe this can happen??
Also Gasly MUST leave Red Bull just like Sainz did...he can be an exceptional driver i believe but where can he go? Renault maybe if Ricciardo goes to Ferrari if Vettel retires??
Verstappen in the Mercedes...that would be great!