Silly Season 2020/2021 (starting with silliness in 2019)

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Unf wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 19:28
Switch between Ham and Vet seems logic - Mercedes would like to have German driver again, and Ferrari need "something special" to win championship again.

but

It seems logic only if Ham will win 7th championship with Mercedes in 2020 and then he would take a risk to not beat Schumacher anymore... or beat him on... Ferrari.
if you mean he will get his possible 8th title (after winning his 7th first) WITH Ferrari ..... not likely because then he will not be "the Hamilton that won 7 WDC's with Mercedes" but "the Hamilton that took his 8th with Ferrari" and this will be unlikely to happen and would do injustice to Mercedes and i guess Hamilton is an man of honor and knows who he has to thank for the success he has

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Hamilton would be crazy to leave Mercedes next season. They have shown they can master a regulation change and you would pick that team above any for 2021.

Lewis is not going anywhere unless he knows they are hanging the gloves up.

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The only reason I could see Lewis going to Ferrari would be for a massive pay check, and by that I mean substantially more than what he is making now. Imo, Lewis likes low stress and no drama, and Ferrari is the exact opposite of that right now.
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dans79 wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 19:54
The only reason I could see Lewis going to Ferrari would be for a massive pay check, and by that I mean substantially more than what he is making now. Imo, Lewis likes low stress and no drama, and Ferrari is the exact opposite of that right now.
He's rich beyond his wildest dreams. He wants to break Schumacher's record and the only sensible way to do that is drive for Mercedes.

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Wass85 wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 19:38
Hamilton would be crazy to leave Mercedes next season. They have shown they can master a regulation change and you would pick that team above any
I agree. They have won every title on the first season of every regulation change since 2009. The only blight on that is the 2010-2013 red bull run
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F1 is going 180 degrees change with budget caps all top 4 Renault included will be operating at similar budgets. Top 3 will have to cut staff members so it's whole new ballgame. Lewis has many titles with nothing to prove I am sure he can afford to take the gamble.

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Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 09:16
F1 is going 180 degrees change with budget caps all top 4 Renault included will be operating at similar budgets. Top 3 will have to cut staff members so it's whole new ballgame. Lewis has many titles with nothing to prove I am sure he can afford to take the gamble.
It's such an emotional thing to drive for Ferrari isn't it, just like it's an emotional team, chaotic but brilliant. He might do it, crazily, or he might stay sensible, gamblers choice as you say

Either way the big teams will have the best infrastructure and keep the best people, the budget cap won't level the field much, tho hopefully the redistribution will help. Personally I'd love to see Lewis in a Newey car, dreaming :)

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izzy wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 11:31
Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 09:16
F1 is going 180 degrees change with budget caps all top 4 Renault included will be operating at similar budgets. Top 3 will have to cut staff members so it's whole new ballgame. Lewis has many titles with nothing to prove I am sure he can afford to take the gamble.
It's such an emotional thing to drive for Ferrari isn't it, just like it's an emotional team, chaotic but brilliant. He might do it, crazily, or he might stay sensible, gamblers choice as you say

Either way the big teams will have the best infrastructure and keep the best people, the budget cap won't level the field much, tho hopefully the redistribution will help. Personally I'd love to see Lewis in a Newey car, dreaming :)
It would be naive to think the top teams would lay off staff. For instance, Mercedes F1 team can easily move a number of people into Mercedes HPP division and can continue working on the car as Engine division doesnt come under budget restrictions. Same with Ferrari too. By keeping driver and high level management salaries out of the restrictions, it becomes even more easier. Remember, these are some of the smartest people in the business.

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I got from sources that Mercedes layed off a lot of people after 2014 in the PU department. They used a big number of staff for the power unit development, and when it was done, they scrapped a lot of headcount.

For sure a lot of staff will be moved to different departments at Daimler, but there will be layoffs. Also you can't just put a CFD employee on engine development. It's not their area of expertise. Providing the proper education is expensive and time consuming too, if the employee wants that at all.
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izzy wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 11:31
Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 09:16
F1 is going 180 degrees change with budget caps all top 4 Renault included will be operating at similar budgets. Top 3 will have to cut staff members so it's whole new ballgame. Lewis has many titles with nothing to prove I am sure he can afford to take the gamble.
It's such an emotional thing to drive for Ferrari isn't it, just like it's an emotional team, chaotic but brilliant. He might do it, crazily, or he might stay sensible, gamblers choice as you say

Either way the big teams will have the best infrastructure and keep the best people, the budget cap won't level the field much, tho hopefully the redistribution will help. Personally I'd love to see Lewis in a Newey car, dreaming :)
I do not see Lewis in the mold of Ferrari worship. He is now a Mercedes icon and is in his 'comfort zone', why should he change? If he was to change, I see it being to a resurgent Mclaren, as this was his target when growing up and may still feel he has unfinished business there. Does he even have a Ferrari road car? He seems uninterested in the name and the image.
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GPR -A wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 11:39
It would be naive to think the top teams would lay off staff. For instance, Mercedes F1 team can easily move a number of people into Mercedes HPP division and can continue working on the car as Engine division doesnt come under budget restrictions. Same with Ferrari too. By keeping driver and high level management salaries out of the restrictions, it becomes even more easier. Remember, these are some of the smartest people in the business.
My feeling is they have to drop some staff otherwise it'd be like giving the whole budget cap thing/Liberty the finger. They'll make up for it with getting more out of each person with better tools, latest machines, more automation, and with 1,000 people they can't all be great can they, HR will be going round saying to department heads: "any idiots you wanna get rid of? Otmar's making enquiries." :D

but yes also they can move some to Daimler Technologies or whoever, Red Bull Technologies, Magneti Marelli etc etc. The whole cost cutting concept for F1 is a general fail afaic

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Big Tea wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 12:44
I do not see Lewis in the mold of Ferrari worship. He is now a Mercedes icon and is in his 'comfort zone', why should he change? If he was to change, I see it being to a resurgent Mclaren, as this was his target when growing up and may still feel he has unfinished business there. Does he even have a Ferrari road car? He seems uninterested in the name and the image.
after 2010 on when they gave the spotlight to Jenson, put that Sam Michael in with the pit stops, took Phil Prew away and gave him a rookie RE, and then Ron getting caught badmouthing him to DrZ, i don't think Lewis actually has a lot of love for McLaren, even if he and Ron were nice to each other over the 6th wdc

Yes he has at least one Ferrari, a LaFerrari in California or maybe Colorado. He's always said good things about Ferrari, i think there's definitely a pull. i mean yes he'd be insane, but then he is obviously, look at that hair

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Big Tea wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 12:44
izzy wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 11:31
Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2019, 09:16
F1 is going 180 degrees change with budget caps all top 4 Renault included will be operating at similar budgets. Top 3 will have to cut staff members so it's whole new ballgame. Lewis has many titles with nothing to prove I am sure he can afford to take the gamble.
It's such an emotional thing to drive for Ferrari isn't it, just like it's an emotional team, chaotic but brilliant. He might do it, crazily, or he might stay sensible, gamblers choice as you say

Either way the big teams will have the best infrastructure and keep the best people, the budget cap won't level the field much, tho hopefully the redistribution will help. Personally I'd love to see Lewis in a Newey car, dreaming :)
I do not see Lewis in the mold of Ferrari worship. He is now a Mercedes icon and is in his 'comfort zone', why should he change? If he was to change, I see it being to a resurgent Mclaren, as this was his target when growing up and may still feel he has unfinished business there. Does he even have a Ferrari road car? He seems uninterested in the name and the image.
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The thing is, you'll never turn down Ferrari lightly. There's something mystical about racing for the brand, which attracts every driver. That being said, Hamilton will only jump ship if he is convinced he can win a WDC with them.
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