Renault ECUs impounded

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by Big Tea » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:47 pm

saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:21 am
browney wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:45 am
Has it been confirmed how racing point found out?
What can it be other than a whistleblower? It is said that racing point’s protest is a 12 page very specific and detailed protest, outlining why it believes Renault is using such asystem.
Do the ECU go back to Mclaren for service?
Good thing they are switching from Renault next year :twisted:
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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by littlebigcat » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:25 pm

I assume the report is 12 pages long because it details every time Renault used the system.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by saviour stivala » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 am

Big Tea wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:47 pm
saviour stivala wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:21 am
browney wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:45 am
Has it been confirmed how racing point found out?
What can it be other than a whistleblower? It is said that racing point’s protest is a 12 page very specific and detailed protest, outlining why it believes Renault is using such asystem.
Do the ECU go back to Mclaren for service?
Good thing they are switching from Renault next year :twisted:
"Does the ECU go back to McLaren for service?" I don't think so. But apart from 'I don't think so', what if it does?. No software owner/provider (power unit supplier as regards power unit software, and teams as regards rest of car software) is going to return the FIA approved and mandated ECU to McLaren complete with software for servicing. (a note:- any software used have to be approved by the FIA). The ECU is essentially a computer, a switching system and power management. through sensors data and other modules is how ECU collects information it intends to make decisions on. I am 100% sure that the FIA impounded Renault ECU from on the car is complete with software used.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by sosic2121 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 am

I wonder how long has RP been waiting to make this protest. This has been the best result for Renault since Monza.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by sosic2121 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 am

I wonder how long has RP been waiting to make this protest. This has been the best result for Renault since Monza.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by bill shoe » Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:17 pm

sosic2121 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 am
I wonder how long has RP been waiting to make this protest. This has been the best result for Renault since Monza.
Timing may also be influenced by time to end-of-season. There may be a general sense that the FIA is unlikely to change results after the season ends. So protests that will obviously be somewhat slow to resolve must be lodged well before the last race.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by Big Tea » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:03 pm

bill shoe wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:17 pm
sosic2121 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 am
I wonder how long has RP been waiting to make this protest. This has been the best result for Renault since Monza.
Timing may also be influenced by time to end-of-season. There may be a general sense that the FIA is unlikely to change results after the season ends. So protests that will obviously be somewhat slow to resolve must be lodged well before the last race.
And of course, the later in the season, the more points to loose, and not so long to regain them :evil:
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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by NathanOlder » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:07 pm

Renault disqualified from Suzuka results
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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by RZS10 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:01 pm

Just a general question ... are ERS maps somehow excluded from Article 27.1 of the FIA Sporting Regulations? Because the same argument (driver aid) could be made against those since drivers can rely on an automatic system that deploys it instead of having to do it themselves .....

What a silly decision ... the system is perfectly legal yet illegal

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by wesley123 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:09 pm

RZS10 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:01 pm
Just a general question ... are ERS maps somehow excluded from Article 27.1 of the FIA Sporting Regulations? Because the same argument (driver aid) could be made against those since drivers can rely on an automatic system that deploys it instead of having to do it themselves .....

What a silly decision ... the system is perfectly legal yet illegal
Agreed, this system isn't any different from other maps present on the car.
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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by Diesel » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:31 pm

It was an ex-employee that spilled the details to RP, probably wouldn't take much to figure out who moved from Renault to RP for this season...

It's been ruled as a driving aid, fair play. I don't agree with RP holding out and effectively making a tactical protest, I think the FIA need to consider reprimanding them for not reporting it earlier if they've known about this for a while...
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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by gshevlin » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:34 pm

My takes:
1. This is (as is normal in the midfield) all about Constructors points. RP wanted more points desperately.
2. The FIA verdict, translated into PlainSpeak, is "Renault are very clever, but just stepped on the wrong side of the regulations. But we know they are seriously considering whether to even stay in the sport, so here is the minimum punishment we think we can give them and still mollify Racing Point".
Shades of the whole mass damper affair.

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by Xwang » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:36 pm

RZS10 wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:01 pm
Just a general question ... are ERS maps somehow excluded from Article 27.1 of the FIA Sporting Regulations? Because the same argument (driver aid) could be made against those since drivers can rely on an automatic system that deploys it instead of having to do it themselves .....

What a silly decision ... the system is perfectly legal yet illegal
I agree with you.
It seems as if following the technical regulations is not enough to be sure that the car is technically legal. :wtf:

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Re: Renault ECUs impounded

Post by littlebigcat » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:31 pm

If this system is illegal then so is mapping MGU-K recovery based on the bias etc