COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

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Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:48 pm
foxmulder_ms wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:59 pm

Like it or not it is true.
ehm no, it's not. there were actual doctors, nurses, many medical personell clearly stating why the numbers aren't true and all have 'disappeared'
China kept the disease under control by locking down and entire region. Real lock down, not that wish washy lock downs. On top of that everyone have to wear masks in whole country, on top of that all the public transport closed in whole country, on top of that everyone who got the disease or might have interacted with a positive person was in quarantine for 2 weeks, (now it is actually 4 weeks). They did this for 2 months without any exception, and not surprisingly disease is now very rare and mostly imported.
no, actually no. even during the supposed region lockdowns, many were still travelling to many european countries, there have been multiple examples of 'travelers' covering their symptoms through ingenious means so they could pass tests despite carrying the disease and as such spreading to the world.
there's also proof the disease was out far earlier than any 'official' reports mention which means numbers are far higher
In contrast, most of the western countries did a big *nothing*. some of the leaders (Trump, Bolsonara were the poster childs of this) even encouraged people *not* to wear mask and keep business open to "protect" stock markets.
you mention two of the biggest political tools in the shed.
you fail to mention for example how Spain did a huge lockdown and came down hard on it.

Compare the deaths in spain, 28.000 plus deaths, vs 4000 in china, where the ENTIRE COUNTRY has LESS inhabitants than JUST the hubei province, where the virus originated and medical facilities had to be built 'overnight', then it's absolutely clear that the total numbers are 100% false.
What is laughable is your blind belief China cannot perform better under this circumstances. :roll: :roll: :roll:
you're clearly the blind one here, better roll your eyes to yourself bud.

Go read scientific articles in *Lancet* about covid19. There, you will see *real* data.

This is an editorial from Lancet, a good starting point:

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals ... 1637-8.pdf



You are believing in BS coming from the "two of the biggest political tools in the shed" as you put it.

Chinese response to covid19 was almost perfect apart from the very initial hesitation and it will be a case study in the future for public health scientists/providers about how to handle a dangerous virus. Even that initial hesitation is understandable, when you consider there are few cases and the lock down of the whole economy. People in other countries with **millions** of cases still cannot be as decisive as China, with couple hundred cases, was! Scale is off the chart between the responses, not even comparable, really.

By the way, forgot to mention, Spain (also for whole Europe basically) lock downs were all too late (after 1000s of patients were in hospitals) and also not real lock downs except Spain and some regions of Italy. Asian countries were successful, rest of the world utterly failed.

Final note, it is still not 100% known where the disease was originated. There are confirmed cases from Europe from basically same time when the first Chinese case recorded (Nov-Dec, 2019).


Anyhow, sorry for the offtopic.. I just cannot stand misinformation which become the norm nowadays unfortunately..

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strad wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:04 pm
I think,,,They will count it but with an asterisk.
The asterisk will be something along the lines of "* - the championship was run under huge pressure caused by a global pandemic which limited opportunities to meet the "3 continents" rule. Thus the 2020 Championship is still a recognised championship."

If the FIA say "the 2020 F1 season is recognised as a legitimate championship" then that's it. Job done, move on to 2021.
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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:44 pm
Dr. Acula wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:23 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:56 pm
1961 was 7 in Europe 1 in USA and they still count it there are several on only 2 continents
Yes, but the question is, was Art.2.4.3.b.i of the international sporting code already a thing back then? You can call anything a world championship as long as you don't define it any further. The problem the FIA has now is that they did define it further in the past and the 2020 F1 season does not meet the criteria to be called a world championship at the moment.
There is probably a force majeure clause to let them slip out of it.
There is art. 2.4.3.c:
2.4.3.c The FIA may exceptionally grant a waiver for a cup,
trophy, challenge or series which can show long-established
use of the word “World”.
As the FIA is the final arbiter of the rules, they get to say what is, and isn't, a valid championship.

Whoever wins the 2020 season will be the "FIA 2020 F1 World Champion Driver/Constructor".
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Re: Nurburgring, Autodromo do Algarve, and Imola in 2020

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:20 am
Manoah2u wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:48 pm
foxmulder_ms wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:59 pm

Like it or not it is true.
ehm no, it's not. there were actual doctors, nurses, many medical personell clearly stating why the numbers aren't true and all have 'disappeared'
China kept the disease under control by locking down and entire region. Real lock down, not that wish washy lock downs. On top of that everyone have to wear masks in whole country, on top of that all the public transport closed in whole country, on top of that everyone who got the disease or might have interacted with a positive person was in quarantine for 2 weeks, (now it is actually 4 weeks). They did this for 2 months without any exception, and not surprisingly disease is now very rare and mostly imported.
no, actually no. even during the supposed region lockdowns, many were still travelling to many european countries, there have been multiple examples of 'travelers' covering their symptoms through ingenious means so they could pass tests despite carrying the disease and as such spreading to the world.
there's also proof the disease was out far earlier than any 'official' reports mention which means numbers are far higher
In contrast, most of the western countries did a big *nothing*. some of the leaders (Trump, Bolsonara were the poster childs of this) even encouraged people *not* to wear mask and keep business open to "protect" stock markets.
you mention two of the biggest political tools in the shed.
you fail to mention for example how Spain did a huge lockdown and came down hard on it.

Compare the deaths in spain, 28.000 plus deaths, vs 4000 in china, where the ENTIRE COUNTRY has LESS inhabitants than JUST the hubei province, where the virus originated and medical facilities had to be built 'overnight', then it's absolutely clear that the total numbers are 100% false.
What is laughable is your blind belief China cannot perform better under this circumstances. :roll: :roll: :roll:
you're clearly the blind one here, better roll your eyes to yourself bud.

Go read scientific articles in *Lancet* about covid19. There, you will see *real* data.

This is an editorial from Lancet, a good starting point:

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals ... 1637-8.pdf



You are believing in BS coming from the "two of the biggest political tools in the shed" as you put it.

Chinese response to covid19 was almost perfect apart from the very initial hesitation and it will be a case study in the future for public health scientists/providers about how to handle a dangerous virus. Even that initial hesitation is understandable, when you consider there are few cases and the lock down of the whole economy. People in other countries with **millions** of cases still cannot be as decisive as China, with couple hundred cases, was! Scale is off the chart between the responses, not even comparable, really.

By the way, forgot to mention, Spain (also for whole Europe basically) lock downs were all too late (after 1000s of patients were in hospitals) and also not real lock downs except Spain and some regions of Italy. Asian countries were successful, rest of the world utterly failed.

Final note, it is still not 100% known where the disease was originated. There are confirmed cases from Europe from basically same time when the first Chinese case recorded (Nov-Dec, 2019).


Anyhow, sorry for the offtopic.. I just cannot stand misinformation which become the norm nowadays unfortunately..
Well, it's true they reacted decisively and effectively to stop the spread domestically when it became apparent the virus was running wild, so no complaints or arguments there, but I believe they absolutely failed in their duty to the rest of the world to disclose details and to warn of the virus in timely fashion. Couple of articles below.

China doctor accuses Wuhan officials of cover-up

A doctor who diagnosed early coronavirus cases in China has told the BBC he believes local officials covered up the scale of the initial outbreak.

Professor Kwok-Yung Yuen, who helped to investigate in Wuhan, says physical evidence was destroyed and the response to clinical findings was slow.

"When we went to the Huanan supermarket, of course, there was nothing to see because the market was clean already. So, you may say that the crime scene is already disturbed because the supermarket was cleared we cannot identify any host which is giving the virus to humans," said Professor Yuen.

"I do suspect that they have been doing some cover-up locally at Wuhan. The local officials who are supposed to immediately relay the information has not allowed this to be done as readily as it should," he added.

China has been criticised for its initial response to the outbreak, and for penalising a doctor who tried to warn colleagues about the virus in late December. In response, China has repeatedly denied accusations that it withheld information about the severity of its outbreak.


Also: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xi-jinping

Anyway as you say let's not completely hijack the topic with a debate about China's culpability or otherwise, but I really don't think they acted responsibly in regard to sharing their information to the international community, which could have saved a lot of global chaos.

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Guys, please take the politics elsewhere, thank you.
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Hollus if that's what you want you should clamp down on those trying tp protect China and spreading pro China B.S..
You have to expect people to try to answer false charges.
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IF anyone was slow to respond it was because they believed China and their buddies at the WHO who spread lies that the virus was not spreadable person to person etc.
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Perhaps we could have a thread for the US vs China. Then all the lies can be kept in one place. =D>
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Exactly, I expect people to stop saying China sucks or China rocks. Or any other country for that matter.
The countries did what they could, or knew, or managed, or wanted to.
They did what they did, all messy in their own ways, as such are the ways of reality.

In as much as the situation in this or that country affects F1, it is on topic.

But when the conversation focuses on the country, and even more on their government, and even more on their ideology, WTF is that conversation doing in a F1 technical forum?

If you want to discuss politics, do it elsewhere.
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Corona will affect 2021 at this rate.
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No matter anybody's stance on Corona, it's still extremely, extremely unlikely that there is going to be a Chinese GP this year due to the circumstances. And with that, there is little chance there will be any GP outside of Europe, which is what the discussion was about in the other thread where the posts reacted to.

Some people then immediately get triggered and like to point fingers and accuse people, and that's what should be policied much more. The provocative people should be adressed, not the people then defending nonsensical accusations.

The simple fact of the matter remains, that with how things are going on right now STILL, it even remains to be seen whether all the GP's on the calendar are actually going to happen. I think it's unlikely they won't, but there's still potential that even these will get cancelled if things go wrong 'again', and let's face it, the virus has NOT been eradicated, it's still going on strong in the Americas (North and South), it's also still going on in Northern Europe, and it's still going on strong in a variety of Eastern countries, including, yes, there we are again, China, no matter anybody's feelings about it.

and THAT makes it very doubtfull that with a calendar that stretches out to november, that there is remotely any chance that any Asian GP will take place.
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Vietnam has a very low number if we are still looking to Asia, but I think the gulf is more likely. I don't know of any suitable in Africa, and assume US and south America is a no go.
If there is to be one outside Europe and Asia it will have to be a surprise entry.
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There won't be any more new GPs after the 3 recently added. Just two races in Bahrain and one in Abu Dhabi.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:05 pm
There won't be any more new GPs after the 3 recently added. Just two races in Bahrain and one in Abu Dhabi.
Which should qualify as Asia at least
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El Scorchio wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:47 am
I can see this discussion being a basis for certain people refusing to acknowledge this as an official world championship title if Hamilton as expected goes on to win it, and I’m willing to bet that a post along those lines will appear on here at the end of the season.

‘Well you see it doesn’t count as it was only raced on two continents rather than three, so therefore it’s not valid and he’s still only got six. And while we’re at it we shouldn’t count any wins or pole positions from this year either...’
Thats alright, Schumachers 94 title didnt count, as he and them cheated a lot. 8) problem solved
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We can probably assume Yas Island will go ahead as they seem to be putting on UFC events fairly successfully at the moment and it seems quite a handy geographical setup to suit a ‘bubble’. I’m sure the Bahrain circuit can do similar. Big advantage with most tracks is they are almost tailor made for what they are tasked with this season due to being fairly ‘rural’.

2021 would seem to hinge on a vaccine being available. Let’s face it, I don’t think this is going to blow itself out without one looking at the situation developing in many countries.

Even if said vaccine isn’t widely available in some countries by the time they host next year, the F1 circus will have been able to sort themselves out, but I’m not sure what sort of moral questions that asks if you’re all immune and turning up to put on a sporting event to a country where millions of people might still be suffering or living in isolation. I’m assuming Europe will vaccinate fairly quickly thanks to finance and infrastructure continent wide but I’m not so sure some other countries or regions on the calendar will have that luxury.