That is no different that saying it's not a cheat because a guy in a red shirt says it isn't.
If it's the fuel pump it is designed to pump fuel to the engine, it's not a device that has the purpose to mingle with the fuel flow. It's a bit like with the steering wheel....dans79 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2020, 22:58It's not a loop hole, using a system that does this would be a slam dunk cheating conviction as it violates this rule clearly.
The only way Ferrari could escape being penalized, would be if the FIA couldn't prove the system was actually used. This is shades of Benetton 94. The FIA announced that within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.5.10.5 Any device, system or procedure the purpose and/or effect of which is to increase the flow
rate or to store and recycle fuel after the measurement point is prohibited.
Never understood that reasoning. Shouldn't have to prove the system was used. Just by virtue (odd word to use in talking F1) of it being available should be considered a breach of the rules. It has no business being on the car at all.within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.
I pretty strongly disagree with that.Mandrake wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 01:43If it's the fuel pump it is designed to pump fuel to the engine, it's not a device that has the purpose to mingle with the fuel flow. It's a bit like with the steering wheel....dans79 wrote: ↑16 Mar 2020, 22:58It's not a loop hole, using a system that does this would be a slam dunk cheating conviction as it violates this rule clearly.
The only way Ferrari could escape being penalized, would be if the FIA couldn't prove the system was actually used. This is shades of Benetton 94. The FIA announced that within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.5.10.5 Any device, system or procedure the purpose and/or effect of which is to increase the flow
rate or to store and recycle fuel after the measurement point is prohibited.
Teams can have legitimate reasons for having subroutines/algorithms/procedures that might be illegal is used during the race, for example testing.strad wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 02:40Never understood that reasoning. Shouldn't have to prove the system was used. Just by virtue (odd word to use in talking F1) of it being available should be considered a breach of the rules. It has no business being on the car at all.within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.
Ferrari are being punished for it. A light punishment but still punished.
it used to be worse. The whole spygate saga was because FIA refused to do anything when Nigel Stepney was whistleblowing about the Ferrari bendy floor. Fernando was penalised for obstructing a Ferrari from 4 seconds in front!! A Ferrari rival had their suspension invention banned for being aero even while it wasn't in the airstream! Now at least they stopped it, so it's progress. And after the big fuss it'll probably be a bit better again next time
Just by virtue of you owning a butchers knife, you should be considered psychopathic serial killer?strad wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 02:40Never understood that reasoning. Shouldn't have to prove the system was used. Just by virtue (odd word to use in talking F1) of it being available should be considered a breach of the rules. It has no business being on the car at all.within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.
A butcher's knife is used to cut up meat. He's allowed to cut up meat. Ergo, having the knife is legitimate.Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 11:28Just by virtue of you owning a butchers knife, you should be considered psychopathic serial killer?strad wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 02:40Never understood that reasoning. Shouldn't have to prove the system was used. Just by virtue (odd word to use in talking F1) of it being available should be considered a breach of the rules. It has no business being on the car at all.within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.
I would look as this situation like some software company's fine company's , They don't fine them on the "5" PC's that were caught with the software on they would fine them on the potential use/abuse so all the PC's on site/department that could of used the software.Chene_Mostert wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 11:28Just by virtue of you owning a butchers knife, you should be considered psychopathic serial killer?strad wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 02:40Never understood that reasoning. Shouldn't have to prove the system was used. Just by virtue (odd word to use in talking F1) of it being available should be considered a breach of the rules. It has no business being on the car at all.within Beneton's software where illegal systems, but it couldn't prove that the systems had been used, just that they existed and could be activated at any time.
There's a reason this thread is not a voting thread. It's the designated cancer thread.bl4zar_ wrote: ↑18 Mar 2020, 12:56My God, I did not lurk on this forum for a while and in the meanwhile it has become literal trash. This thread in particular is the pinnacle of people coming to conclusions with literally zero evidence and bending reality to their preferred way:One would expect facts and evidence or nothing on f1technical.net
- Ferrari definitely cheated on the engine - like if, in the case there was even slight evidence on this other than suspects, teams wouldn't have assaulted the FIA
- the Spygate was Ferrari's fault - honestly WTF
- FIA being colluded with Ferrari from the beginnig of time - like if all the measures, fair and unfair ones, taken against Ferrari or at advantage of Ferrari's rivals magically disappeared, and only the ones in the opposite direction ever existed