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Deadpool wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:43 am
Pirelli is the WORST tyre suplier EVER in F1. The day they leave F1 will be a good day. Really, really good day!When Michelin and Bridgestone hear what nonsense they're talking about they're probably rolling with laughter all day.
Certainly Goodyear in the '80s and early '90s were terrible too, but I do agree Pirelli is the worst.

These tires in F1 nowadays are garbage and have been for several years now.

This whole era of F1 is garbage. Someday they will go back to driving at 10/10 for an entire race. I look forward to it!

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Looks like Pirelli have come out and said that it was a "long stint and high forces" that caused the failures. Even though they said they should last 40 laps, looks like that was wrong. The tyres are simply not strong enough for the force generated by these cars.
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Silverstone is also changing the Beckets/Chapel kerbs to prevent cuts.

On loads Pirelli only have the data teams give them to chose the compounds. I know they have data from last year, but for predicting this years behaviour they rely on the teams. The fact the loads were higher than expected suggests the teams have been holding back on their data.
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jjn9128 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:05 am
Silverstone is also changing the Beckets/Chapel kerbs to prevent cuts.
I think that'll sort it. Of course, one could say that the drivers know where the tarmac edge is and they should stick to it. If they drive on to the dirt and get a puncture, that's their problem. To blame circuit or tyre is a bit silly. Perhaps that's why we haven't heard any blame from the teams this time. They know their drivers caused the issue.
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jjn9128 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:05 am
Silverstone is also changing the Beckets/Chapel kerbs to prevent cuts.

On loads Pirelli only have the data teams give them to chose the compounds. I know they have data from last year, but for predicting this years behaviour they rely on the teams. The fact the loads were higher than expected suggests the teams have been holding back on their data.
I think the problem wasn’t with the compounds but the structure of the tyre. I believe the structure stays the same across the whole range of compounds. When they give a stint life, in laps, for a compound they are a estimating a performance limit due either to wear or thermal degradation. They use tyre pressures to try to ensure the structural, fatigue, limit is beyond the longest stint they expect. They got it wrong due probably to a combination of higher race pace loads and mechanical damage suspected to come from the kerbs at turn 14.

In rejecting the proposed more durable 2020 tyre structure the teams served up Pirelli a double whammy. By using last years tyres their baseline aero model didn’t change and they could press on to produce more downforce. If they’d gone with the proposed tyres the baseline would have changed and they would possibly have struggled to match the gains they have made.
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Anyone who has camped at the old Silverstone can tell you of the flints you found in the grass under your tent. I suppose it is quite possible a flint became wedged in the curb and stayed there.
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SiLo wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 am
Looks like Pirelli have come out and said that it was a "long stint and high forces" that caused the failures. Even though they said they should last 40 laps, looks like that was wrong. The tyres are simply not strong enough for the force generated by these cars.
Just wondering. Wasn’t merc suspected a couple of years ago of applying some tricks to suppress the working pressures of the tyres, while still passing the prerace minimums?

That could also explain why they get less longevity out off them.

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Edax wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:49 pm
SiLo wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 am
Looks like Pirelli have come out and said that it was a "long stint and high forces" that caused the failures. Even though they said they should last 40 laps, looks like that was wrong. The tyres are simply not strong enough for the force generated by these cars.
Just wondering. Wasn’t merc suspected a couple of years ago of applying some tricks to suppress the working pressures of the tyres, while still passing the prerace minimums?

That could also explain why they get less longevity out off them.
That was dealt with by a change in how things were checked by the FIA. None story. Move on.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:32 pm

Doesn't really help if the failure is the shoulder due to mechanical damage. It appears that there was damage caused by the drivers running off the track on the exit of Becketts at the start of the Chapel inside kerb. The kerb has been shortened so the drivers would normally have driven on to the kerb there last year but this year they were running across the edge of the tarmac. If that's the case, the simple solution is to put the kerb back, or tell the drivers not to drive off the side of the tarmac there. If they do, it's their problem.
But Kvyat's right rear failed, and the kerb you mention is on the left side.
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Shrieker wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:08 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:32 pm

Doesn't really help if the failure is the shoulder due to mechanical damage. It appears that there was damage caused by the drivers running off the track on the exit of Becketts at the start of the Chapel inside kerb. The kerb has been shortened so the drivers would normally have driven on to the kerb there last year but this year they were running across the edge of the tarmac. If that's the case, the simple solution is to put the kerb back, or tell the drivers not to drive off the side of the tarmac there. If they do, it's their problem.
But Kvyat's right rear failed, and the kerb you mention is on the left side.
That failure has been found to be a mechanical issue with the car. Something was rubbing which caused the wheel rim to fail and so the tyre deflated. That would have happened no matter what tyre was used on whatever track. A team-caused failure.
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The thread has the title inversed, it should be Immediately defending the tires

It's the drivers going off track...
It's the team cheating with tire pressures...
It's the cars which did improve a lot compared to last season...
It's a failure in the car...


Anything but the tires, even when all those arguments, even when might be true, are true for most seasons in F1 history, and we don't see 4 tires exploding in same race in most seasons... Luckily.

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The tires are, by far, the single most important thing on the car.

You can argue every single component of the car, including the driver, is there to make the tires work to their fullest.