Yeah I saw Joe Saward dropped that on his blog. But without structural changes that would just be repeating the story of the last many years, with a token system once again, and less time before the next engine formula.gshevlin wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 21:42If Red Bull does not want to have to deal with Renault, and F1 wants to keep 4 powerplant suppliers, there have long been rumours of the existence of a prototype F1 hybrid powerplant in the labs of a German car company whose name begins with P and ends in e.
But if they want to go that route, they need to be signing contracts yesterday.
Simple and accurate. There aren't any other car companies that will sit up in the sunlight, look around, and say "Yes, we are confident that we will successfully navigate this once-in-100-years change to the industry plus have a couple billion $ left over to play in Formula 1 while we do it."
As far as I know there was only one year in the entire F1 history where there were only 3 engine manufacturers, I would hardly call that the norm.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 18:57A little over dramatic? Before McLaren pulled Honda back into F1 we had 3 engine manufacturers, so in that sense nothing is changing... Mercedes seems to be in (at least from a PU perspective) for the foreseeable future, Ferrari isn’t going anywhere and out of all manufacturers Renault is the one that seems more invested into at least the next 5 years.Edax wrote:There is an alternative. All teams moving to a Ferrari engine.
As I see it this situation is not sustainable. Honda has pulled out, and frankly I am waiting for the same announcement from Renault.
Then we’re down to two. That is Michelin vs Bridgestone again an we know how that ends.
Besides I think Aston Martin and McLaren show that car manufacturers rather have their name on a winning frame than on a losing engine.
Losing Honda won’t be the end of F1, just like it wasn’t when they left in previous eras.
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Well yes, the problem is that f1 needs to turn the PU paradigm upside down and move to having open regulations based on some fundamentals of energy efficiency and severe limits on spending, rather than heavily restricted regulations and no spending restrictions. The latter paradigm results in the current technological arms race, with hundreds of millions being spent to find a few horsepower as technical and regulation limits are reached.nzjrs wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 22:01Yeah I saw Joe Saward dropped that on his blog. But without structural changes that would just be repeating the story of the last many years, with a token system once again, and less time before the next engine formula.gshevlin wrote: ↑03 Oct 2020, 21:42If Red Bull does not want to have to deal with Renault, and F1 wants to keep 4 powerplant suppliers, there have long been rumours of the existence of a prototype F1 hybrid powerplant in the labs of a German car company whose name begins with P and ends in e.
But if they want to go that route, they need to be signing contracts yesterday.
Either nothing changes or everything has to, are the two options, in my opinion at least.
Indeed. I Agree.gshevlin wrote: ↑04 Oct 2020, 01:46Well yes, the problem is that f1 needs to turn the PU paradigm upside down and move to having open regulations based on some fundamentals of energy efficiency and severe limits on spending, rather than heavily restricted regulations and no spending restrictions. The latter paradigm results in the current technological arms race, with hundreds of millions being spent to find a few horsepower as technical and regulation limits are reached.
If Honda were considering in being a Works team, they would've made some form of announcement regarding that instead of announcing pulling out of the sport entirely. But hey, let's speculate for the fun of it!
...what if FIA made a mandate for all of their series to use the same engine formula. Different series' needs could be addressed in the boost, ERS, and gearbox strategies. Imagine F1, WRC, LMP, etc. all working to extract max HP from the same block.