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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:46 am

12 years without any incident, not even a speeding or parking ticket :^)
12 years without an incident, or 12 years without being caught?

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RZS10 wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:46 am
Big Tea wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:34 pm
but what if 'they' judged you to be included in that group :D
you mean the "retards who can't drive"? :D

12 years without any incident, not even a speeding or parking ticket :^)
But you would have to meet the criteria before getting your license.
As I said, I do not for one second mean you are not a good driver, but it is not good drivers who decide who gets to drive
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for now at least the rules require you to be in the drivers seat just in case. :wink:
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12 years without any incident, not even a speeding or parking ticket
12 years without any incident, not even a speeding or parking ticket

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Sorry but 12 years ain't squat.
I'm at 57 years with only one minor incident that wasn't my fault. Yeah I have had a few tickets but here if you aren't doing at least 5 over (for which they don't ticket you) you'll either get run over or induce road rage. :wink:
Sorry but 12 years ain't squat.
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Couldn't make it quit underlining. Was supposed to be just in case. :(
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1 speeding ticket and 1 parking ticket in 38 years. However I have hit the scenery a few times.

I'd be in favor of AVs for commuting and the like, but in my estimation true Level 5 AVs are a long way off (I mean decades), for retail sale. Snow, bicycles, target path prediction are all hard problems. My particular bugbear is path prediction, AFAIK they are using Kalman which is NOT conservative for pedestrians in particular.

Roon may have been joking about gangs of AVs boxing in known aggressive drivers, I think he is actually on the right track. Plus 'they' will enforce current laws about aggressive driving, as by their nature AVs are self documenting and objective. Pretty soon this will eliminate all the morons (sorry mate, 2 tons of steel at 75 mph is not the place to start working out your personality problems) from driving.

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Greg Locock wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:57 am

... 'they' will enforce current laws about aggressive driving, as by their nature AVs are self documenting and objective. Pretty soon this will eliminate all the morons (sorry mate, 2 tons of steel at 75 mph is not the place to start working out your personality problems) from driving.
This is really stage 1 and must be in our very near future. We must be close to the tipping point where highway patrol are made obsolete in favour of simply sending you a ticket based on your phone's GPS data..? Hell, my phone already tells me where I've travelled every week. Often the listed time it took me to get from point A to point B doesn't correlate with the maximum speed limit…

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Autonomous commute for work and daily routines then it frees up time for self driving for pleasure when the urge is there.

They should just mark zones for autonomous only and self driving only.

That will make finishing the boring stuff quickly and more time for important things.

I wonder if the interior of the vehicle will change? More like a speed boat with an L-shape seating arrangement. What is the the use of autonomous driving if you cannot move around. Will the vehicle need a roadside door and will it need luggage space? The vehicle can go back to pick up the luggage...
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the problem is you can't overtake with an autonomous car. everything will be monitored. it will be like sitting in a train. no one can snake queues or gain an advantage... humans won't like that.
and then there is the moto bikers wreaking havoc on those "taxis".
so to make automous cars possible, selfdriving and moto bikes need to be banned... can we allow that?
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roon wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:50 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:25 pm
I will bully every self driving car i see mercilessly ... i hate the idea ... instead of having self driving cars i'd rather not give out driving licenses like candy to retards who can't drive ... and we all see what those teslas are doing to their drivers atm ... so ... yea ... --- em
You will be outnumbered, and on multiple cameras. Your vehicle's appearance and license plate will be entered into an aggressive drivers database. The AVs in your proximity will determine your erratic behavior to be a threat and box you in to minimize risk. You will be escorted to your location by a halo of AVs whenever sufficient traffic density presents. The swarms will take whatever actions are necessary to maximize the safety of their clientele.

-Central Control
just one more control measure on top of the ever increasing efforts to suppress any diversity...

and if you HAVE to spend 3 hours driving a vehicle to work, and if you wouldn't be behind the wheel, you could work from the car, then it is quite fair to say that you should organize your work better as to not have to travel those 3 hours at all - work from home, as you can clearly work from your car, I bet 50+% of office work could be done from home offices and would save billion units of travel resource equivalent - the problem is discipline, most people need to be in office in order to focus on doing something

on topic - I cannot imagine fully autonomous vehicles on the existing chaos of road infrastructure, some parts may be automated, but going full auto right beside regular drivers is just a stupid idea, and if you think that boxing or trying to delay that one or two guys going over speed limit will teach them something, you're delusional, and you're just as aggressive as they are trying to "teach them safety", you're just aggravating the problem

and if you don't like to drive a car, then there is already a mode of transport available to you - mass public transport! or taxi service, and if you think - aha! taxi would be much cheaper if only that driver was replaced with few lines of code and few smart gizmos, then you're also delusional - it will be cheaper to the operator of the service, but no one in their right mind will lower the price for the service...

and this is about fully autonomous cars, not the joke about the subject where they get out of liability by forcing someone to still be at the wheel and peals and watch the road and call that autonomous, that is more stressful and prone to accidents than actually driving the car IMO, as was clearly the example with the uber accident where the "autonomous" suv (which happened to be a volvo, but it would be unfair to put any blame on volvo) struck and killed a lady with a bicycle crossing the road, and she was on foot, pushing be bicycle... from the footage I've seen of the accident and the nature of it, I bet a human driver would never ever would have made that mistake, but the software did...

as an engineer I'm fully against autonomous cars on shared regular roads, there are way too many things to account for

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AJI wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:50 am
12 years without an incident, or 12 years without being caught?
Both.

Incidents to me are accidents, bumping into parked cars etc and causing dangerous situations for others - ofc i had to avoid the latter more often than i'd like to but i always managed to do so ...

Not being caught when driving too quickly, but i do it reasonably depending on the area and situation, mostly flowing with traffic, obviously.
Big Tea wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:50 am
But you would have to meet the criteria before getting your license.
[...] it is not good drivers who decide who gets to drive
This is true.
I was fortunate enough to have a good instructor who did not try to rip me off by having me do endless lessons, just the bare minimum to go through all the basics on his checklist ... friend of mine just recently got the license and had to switch her instructor at some point because he taught her absolutely wrong things and was ripping her off.

I also remember one instructor in theory lessons who told us she managed to rip off the bumper on her husband's Brabus and tried to keep it a secret by having it fixed the same day ... lol
strad wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:16 am
Sorry but 12 years ain't squat.
[...] here if you aren't doing at least 5 over (for which they don't ticket you) you'll either get run over or induce road rage.
I know that in the grand scheme of things 12 years of driving ain't lot but i know enough people who messed up (massively) during those years and i've done a decent total mileage including driving in eastern europe where they have shitty single lane roads as 'highways' where you overtake down the middle even with oncoming traffic :lol:

Ironically autonomous cars will slavingly stick to the speed limit, possibly even blocking all lanes with their automated distance regulation etc - that's why i think they'll be a major annoyance once they're road legal and mixed with proper normal cars.

(just saw the post above posted whilst i was typing this, jz11 put it better than me in the paragraph below and i fully agree with all sentiments)
Right now i doubt that the tech is advanced enough to properly work inside the city anyways, the road marking are all worn out and all over the place, the variations in lane width are huge in some places, cars are being parked so poorly that they'd definitely impede those cars ... there's no way for a computer to cover all eventualities atm, not at a decent speeds at least - the behaviour of current Tesla's is proof of that, apparently they can't even merge on highways properly ...

but so can't human drivers, as is very apparent in morning traffic on the autobahn...

as strad wrote ... i think currently the only use would be in heavy traffic on highways

Overall i hugely dislike most assistance system in modern cars, hell...i hate automatic gearboxes ... i want to be in control, i don't want some electronics to interfere ... i even turn off ESP and traction control when there's snow because i can do a better job at preventing wheelspin and slides than the computer

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FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:29 am
the problem is you can't overtake with an autonomous car. everything will be monitored. it will be like sitting in a train. no one can snake queues or gain an advantage... humans won't like that.
and then there is the moto bikers wreaking havoc on those "taxis".
so to make automous cars possible, selfdriving and moto bikes need to be banned... can we allow that?
But you will not need to overtake. The car infront of you will be doing the limit. There may even be higher limits for automated drivers at they will be safer and more efficient.
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I can't wait to be driven around by autonomous cars.

But seeing things like this...

Setting a trap for self driving cars

... one might have to wait a few years yet!

P.S. apparently it is only a "concept demonstration" on a monkey driven car.
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FrukostScones wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:29 am
the problem is you can't overtake with an autonomous car. everything will be monitored. it will be like sitting in a train. no one can snake queues or gain an advantage... humans won't like that.
and then there is the moto bikers wreaking havoc on those "taxis".
so to make automous cars possible, selfdriving and moto bikes need to be banned... can we allow that?
Less overtaking may lead to reduced traffic. Some people tailgate and switch lanes frequently because it gives them the illusion of greater agency and control in a situation where they have little. They often only end up consuming more fuel and causing more traffic. I'm sure we've all seen people weaving through traffic, only to end up behind the same people they previously passed, or stopped at the same traffic signals.

The passengers in AVs will be absorbed by their screens, phones, or reading, sleeping, stargazing, meditating... I don't think they'll care too much about whether they're going 5% slower than they think they should be.

P.S. I'm calling it now: in-car yoga will be a thing within the next ten years. 8)
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Today I did a round trip on Britain’s congested trunk road network.

63 miles there, 2hrs 20. 61 miles back 2hrs 45

Do I wish the car had done the driving? What do you think? At least I didn’t have have to change gear.

I might have used public transport, walk - train - walk - tube - walk - train - walk. Suggested 2 hrs 5. One of my party has a bad knee so walking is a negative, and our rail service is being run by the sort of high quality senior management that managed to wreck the whole of the U.K. motor industry. Cancellations at short notice, no attempt to manage connections, customer as money supply only, in short not reliable enough to be considered.
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Honestly, driving is just a chore to me. I do contract work, so I end up driving long distances regularly, with no chance to move my home to get closer. I mean, 9 contracts in the last 10 years covering 6 states is a bit much, but that is my livelihood.

Calling, texting, email, reading and many other things that take time from my family when im home could all be done during the commute. In other words, it would increase my quality of life (and my wife and 4 daughters' as well) enormously.