Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

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Perhaps in the future there will be a thermochemical approach to hydrogren production, such as the Sulfur-Iodine cycle

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First 10 Hyundai hydrogen trucks are on their way to Swiss. 1590 to go!

They are making a smart business case there by not having to pay enormous amounts of toll.

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Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.

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Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:28 am
Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.
What free ride? There are no tax breaks of any kind for buying an EV here.
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EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/

Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.

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Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:06 am
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/
True.
Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:06 am
Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
Agreed, we'd be far better off paying a Road use tax at rego time based on the number of KM's driven and vehicle polution ratings. I dont see the Fed gov handing their fuel excise powers over to the states any time soon tho.
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Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:06 am
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/

Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
There is a corelation between fuel usage and weight though, assuming cars of similar age and technology. So taxing by fuel is easy and works and hurts those that use more (hence, drive more or with less efficient vehicles). but yes, EVs currently dont pay any. They’ll have to find a new way to tax them soon.
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A typical example of legislation lagging behind technology.
Those electrons weigh next to nothing, but one is hauling around batteries instead, lots of batteries...
I am happy to see EVs compete with other techonolgies more and more on merit and less and less on subsidies. They are mainstream enough to be regulated now. Fine!
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Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:28 am
Australia is about to introduce a mileage tax for EVs, the free ride is over.
Geee... what about the centuries long free ride of oil companies. Literally, last year, total tax breaks for oil companies in USA was over $$$$ 25 billion++ subsidies they got since they are "domestic" energy.

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What is the U.S. equivalent to an Everest? An Explorer or an Escape? Just wondering.
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strad wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:20 pm
What is the U.S. equivalent to an Everest? An Explorer or an Escape? Just wondering.
It’s based on the ranger chassis so just below an explorer I’d say.
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Ah.. Thanks. I looked on line but it looked bigger than a Ranger pickup.
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It's a SWB Ranger chassis, with a new coil spring 4 arm +watts live axle suspension, designed by me (with a little help from my friends). SUV body. Next week sees the reveal of its sibling.

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Greg Locock wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:07 am
It's a SWB Ranger chassis, with a new coil spring 4 arm +watts live axle suspension, designed by me (with a little help from my friends). SUV body. Next week sees the reveal of its sibling.
Ah nice, good to see we still at least design vehichles here. 8)
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Greg Locock wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:06 am
EVs don't pay the tax on fuel that is theoretically used to maintain the roads.
https://acapmag.com.au/2020/07/nsw-gove ... usage-tax/

Fuel excise is a silly way of doing it anyway, as the damage a vehicle does to the road is proportional to the axle weight to the power of 5 (ish), not fuel consumption. And I'm pretty sure my Everest is doing more damage to the roads than my old Falcon sedan did, even though it only uses 2/3 as much fuel.
Hilarious. That will be a real money-spinner, taxing the millions of EV's on Aussie roads.

Fuel excise is a reasonable proxy when you consider all the costs to the public - road maintenance, congestion, air pollution etc
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