This forms some of the reasoning that has me looking at the potential that my next vehicle will be an EV. I typically keep my cars for 8 or 9 years, so what I buy next will be subject to changes in energy mix and legislation over that sort of period. I can already see that some places I currently visit will ban my Euro 5 diesel in a couple of years. Those bans will exist whether I have seen credible reports or not. And there are likely to be more such bans, not less.Andres125sx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:06 am
Also, people should look at the bigger picture, renewable energies are being increased constantly, so electricity is greener each day, and at some point it will be 100% clean. ICE pollute today, pollute tomorrow and will pollute in next century, period, s....
half of renewable electricity ie woodburning is fake - it produces relatively more global warming than coal burning does
How I this related to viability of EVs?
Bioenergy is a 5%, so if you like to assume it will be there forever then electricity will be closer to 95% clean, but saying it will be closer to 0% sorry but is utter nosense...Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:43 amhalf of renewable electricity ie woodburning is fake - it produces relatively more global warming than coal burning does
and more urban particulate pollution than cars do
electricity will always be closer to 0% clean than 100% clean
I don't have an electric car yet, but I do have a nice 5.4kW solar array on my roof.Giblet wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am10 years ago I had zero friends with solar or electric cars.
I also knew nobody making their own fuel, or burning their own coal to produce power.
Now I have two friends with solar arrays who charge their own vehicles AND sell surplus power back to the municipality.
Agree, I love electrics, anything, from rc planes or drones to cars and bikes because of simplicity, lack of nosense noise (any vehicle make some noise, people tend to think it´s only the motor/engine, but that´s not true, for example I love the noise of the fast spinning prop on my electric rc planes, and they´re far from quiet), reliability wich is on a different league, and overal ease of use.Big Tea wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:39 pmNot strictly on topic, but related, as you buy what you like. After trying an electric a couple of weeks back, I think that as soon as I can be sure the charging part will suit me, I think I would change irrespective of any other reason, except cost, within reason.
I think the big switch will be when it is convenient more than any other reason, including environmental
I was responding to someone who talked about EV impact compared to ICEs, so I simply pointed electricity comes from very different sources so the average on most countries makes EV less polluting than ICEs. Then you jumped to house heating as that´s very polluting too, even more, agree, but that´s not the topicTommy Cookers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:23 pmAndres - how are your claims of EV environmental benefit (to which I was responding) on the topic of EV viability ?Andres125sx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:59 amHow I this related to viability of EVs?
Bioenergy is a 5%, so if you like to assume it will be there forever then electricity will be closer to 95% clean, but saying it will be closer to 0% sorry but is utter nosense...
Yes it is. We´re talking about emissions, so we´re talking globally. You can´t take a single plant whatever it is, and use it as a reference. If so, I may take a solar or wind farm and say electricity is 100% clean, because it is, right?Tommy Cookers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:23 pmthere is 3 times as much carbon in the biosphere (in living and dead material) as in the atmosphere as CO2
changes in land use will increase release of biosphere carbon as atmospheric methane - 25 times as warming as CO2
the huge UK burning of American wetland wood pellets is doing this - because the trees aren't replaced like-for-like
according to the experts (on my TV as Drax is my local GW-capacity generator) making this worse than coal burning
tell these people closer to 0% is utter nonsense
no wind or solar farm is 100% clean because of the carbon cost of replacing the whole thing every 20 or 30 yearsAndres125sx wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:01 pm....We´re talking about emissions, so we´re talking globally. You can´t take a single plant whatever it is, and use it as a reference. If so, I may take a solar or wind farm and say electricity is 100% clean, because it is, right?
It´s the average what counts, and on most countries except third world the percentage of electricity wich produces significant emissions, even if you include wood burning, is a small percentage of the total. It will depend on the country obviously, but we´re talking about maybe 20-50% range