Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Big Tea » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:42 pm

AJI wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:52 am
Big Tea wrote:
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Brake Horse Power wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:04 am


Agree on that. I did a quick math on what would happen if you place solar cells on the containers of a large container vessel. Different case but I thought I concluded maybe you can have 4 megawatt peak..which seams a lot but it requires a lot more to replace the 100MW internal combustion engine
They would produce all the time there is light, not just when the vehicle is moving. If it just adds a few % it could be worth while (depending on cost) especially as they seem to be developing light weight full spectrum units.


pic here of a truck decked out, but it is an advert of course
https://flisom.com
My nephew has a solution. Sails, that are made from solar panels, plus wind turbines and exercise bikes for the occupants!
https://gcaptain.com/project-to-test-fe ... k-carrier/

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Maybe not so far off. They are also developing airships with solar wrapped around the envelope. Above the clouds so constant power.
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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Andres125sx » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:41 am

Brake Horse Power wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:13 pm
The VW ID 3 with 420 km range will sell for +-€40.000. I can't see how they will half that price in 3 years time?
Actually pricing will start under 30k euros for the 45kWh battery.With subsidizing it will be around 25k euros

The 40k euros version have a 58kWh battery, heads-up display, panoramic roof, adaptative cruise control and headlights, 200hp... It is not comparable to 20k euros ICE cars

https://www.drivingelectric.com/volkswa ... ype-review

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Post by RZS10 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:25 pm

It's 40k for the "1st" special edition 58kWh (satnav, heated seats and wheel, 18" alu wheels, etc) ... 45k for the 1st plus (reverse camera, adaptive cruise control, LED lights, 19" wheels etc) ... 48k for the 1st max (HUD, panoramic roof, 20" wheels and some other extras)

Those prices are only for the first 30000 cars anyways and only for pre-orders with down payments.

So 48k if you want all the sweet extras minus the subsidization (4k here = 43k)

The non-special edition cars will supposedly be even more expensive.

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Andres125sx » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:54 am

RZS10 wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:25 pm
It's 40k for the "1st" special edition 58kWh (satnav, heated seats and wheel, 18" alu wheels, etc) ... 45k for the 1st plus (reverse camera, adaptive cruise control, LED lights, 19" wheels etc) ... 48k for the 1st max (HUD, panoramic roof, 20" wheels and some other extras)

Those prices are only for the first 30000 cars anyways and only for pre-orders with down payments.

So 48k if you want all the sweet extras minus the subsidization (4k here = 43k)

The non-special edition cars will supposedly be even more expensive.
Source for that RZS10? Because my previous post is claiming the contrary, and it´s including the source
Volkswagen is calling the ID "the electric car for the masses". Prices will start at under €30,000 in Germany, but haven’t been confirmed for the UK yet. However, with the Government subsidy of £3,500, it should come in at around £25,000.

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Post by izzy » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:32 pm

According to https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... ets-europe

Renault are planning a £10k baby EV city car with 150+m range

£10k would change things a lot. Anyone with a double garage...

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by RZS10 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:10 pm

Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:54 am
Source for that RZS10? Because my previous post is claiming the contrary, and it´s including the source
Volkswagen is calling the ID "the electric car for the masses". Prices will start at under €30,000 in Germany, but haven’t been confirmed for the UK yet. However, with the Government subsidy of £3,500, it should come in at around £25,000.
Sorry ... should have made it more clear ... those prices are, as i wrote, for the "1st" special editions and the same trim and power/capacity might end up costing more than those once the car is freely available.

Of course the 'naked' entry level trimmed car will start slightly below 30k € with the small 48kWh battery and 150hp.

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Post by Brake Horse Power » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm

I like this car, it's not pretty but I like their idea of making a relatively cheap car. I believe it is open source. It's the Sonos Sion, cost €25.000 +- depending on country. 35kWh battery, solar panels all over charging the car with 30km range a day.

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Big Tea » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:23 pm

Brake Horse Power wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:09 pm
I like this car, it's not pretty but I like their idea of making a relatively cheap car. I believe it is open source. It's the Sonos Sion, cost €25.000 +- depending on country. 35kWh battery, solar panels all over charging the car with 30km range a day.

https://media.caradvice.com.au/image/pr ... c07eee.jpg
Do you have a link to that please? This is the sort of paradigm change I have been talking of.
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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

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Post by Big Tea » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:53 pm

Brake Horse Power wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Here you go
https://sonomotors.com/en/sion/
Thanks. I like that, and I like the concept. You do not need a luxury limo to take the kids to school the dogs to the beach and collect the shopping. Will be watching this

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Tempted to put a deposit, except the price is not pegged. Battery cost should fall, but I do not like the prospect of unexpected costs.
I was 'tempted' by the adverts for the VW Buzz, until the actual cost turned out to be about 30% above the 'estimate'
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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Brake Horse Power » Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:38 pm

Here is a nice movie on the Sonos Sion, the fully charged channel I can recommend it is a nice watch


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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Big Tea » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:51 pm

This is worth a watch if you skip the first few min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHzaBQsK2s
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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by Andres125sx » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:07 pm

If this article Brake Horse Power linked in the battery thread is real, EVs will be viable even economically in few years. And autonomous renewable home systems too btw

https://nikolamotor.com/press_releases/ ... ld-2020-67

They claim double energy density, half price, 2000 cycles, no cobalt or nikel used and easier to recycle =P~

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by hollus » Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:33 pm

The last half a page was deleted. It was fully international politics of climate change. And you all know what happened to the last thread that went that way.
This is a forum about cars. Politics are forbidden, and you all know why.

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Re: Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

Post by strad » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:42 pm

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