Red Bull RB8 Renault

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Very interesting, I just hope if there is a penalty, its implied before the race, so we all know the results will be given. There is nothing worse than guys on the podium and not knowing if it will count, or if webber or Vettel are involed in accidents at the start and take out other drivers they shouldnt be starting next to.
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myurr wrote:
alogoc wrote:i am happy to announce that Adrian Newey cheating philosophy is coming to an end!

https://twitter.com/F1Kate/status/22695 ... to/1/large
Let's see if they're actually punished. If that decision is upheld by the stewards then the cars will be disqualified from qualifying, like Hamilton was when he ran out of fuel which was a breach of the technical rules, and thus will only be allowed to race at the stewards discretion.

Personally I think that the powers that be will let them off and they'll just be forced to change the map for the next race. The FIA seem to be particularly harsh on accidental infringements, on the off chance it was deliberate, but seem to work with the teams when they've been deliberately cheating.
usually that was the case yes!
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Adam Cooper @ adamcooperf1
#F1 Red Bull under investigation by the FIA for what is basically illegal off throttle blowing of the diffuser
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According to @ ScarbsF1 if would effect 'blown diffuser'
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Lorenzo_Bandini wrote:Its a huge news.. I wonder if both car will be allowed to race. Its a sort of traction control... And its just speculation by me, but I think Lotus had perhaps the same engine map. At the start of the season, Jean Francois Caubet, the boss of Renault Sport, said Red Bull have found a way, with the engine map to recover most of the downforce that they had last year. I'm on my blackberry, if someone could found the link..

They banned that mapping early in winter testing.

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They will get away whit it again!

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According to an anonymous technical expert case Red Bull sounds like a human error, mistake.
Retweeted by FA
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yea but it takes more than the ability to trace pictures in illustrator to be able to draw a conclusion as to what RBR are trying to achieve.

That being said, RBR have been very good intraction events this season (Monaco, Baharain wins atest to this) could this be linked to their secret? Perhaps this is their wet weather engine map? Allowing greater torque control when it is required. Without specifically knowing how the torque demand is reduced mechanically in the engine, drawing a conclusion that this throttle map is primarily for exhaust blowing benefit is a bit crass at best.
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alogoc wrote:They will get away whit it again!

Oskari Saari @ OskariSaari
According to an anonymous technical expert case Red Bull sounds like a human error, mistake.
Retweeted by FA
IIRC it was also human error when Hamilton ran out of fuel in qualifying ...

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:
alogoc wrote:They will get away whit it again!

Oskari Saari @ OskariSaari
According to an anonymous technical expert case Red Bull sounds like a human error, mistake.
Retweeted by FA
IIRC it was also human error when Hamilton ran out of fuel in qualifying ...

i dont believe it human error! it's NEWEY!
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Isnt it always a human error until you can prove its been done several times with the knowledge of it being illegal ?

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:
alogoc wrote:They will get away whit it again!

Oskari Saari @ OskariSaari
According to an anonymous technical expert case Red Bull sounds like a human error, mistake.
Retweeted by FA
IIRC it was also human error when Hamilton ran out of fuel in qualifying ...
Totally agreed! The FIA do not care whether its human error or some technical gimmick the truth is both car qualified with a engine map which does not imply with the rules

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If it has something to do whit the exhaust resonator chamber it could effect Ferrari as well!????
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alogoc wrote:If it has something to do whit the exhaust resonator chamber it could effect Ferrari as well!????
It doesn't – it has to do only with the engine map.

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what i think is that during the mid range rpm the engine map will provide less maximum torque so drivers need to apply more throttle which will result in more exhaust gases produced which will enhance their blowing diffuser and provide more downforce in slower corners

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NonNewtonic wrote:what i think is that during the mid range rpm the engine map will provide less maximum torque so drivers need to apply more throttle which will result in more exhaust gases produced which will enhance their blowing diffuser and provide more downforce in slower corners
That's certainly what the document says, yes, well read.

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Horner: “I’m not aware of any irregularities, and the result was declared after qualifying.”
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