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I had my dimension box flipped NM. Been a long day :oops:
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dans79 wrote:
Read it like this:

1) is the part between the rear wheel center-line and an imaginary line 400mm in-front of it.
2) is it more than 375mm from the cars center line.

If the answer to both questions is yes, then the part can be no more than 300mm above the reference plane.

If you move the part in-front of the 400mm imaginary line, then the answer to question 1 is no, and thus the 300mm constraint no longer applies.
Perfect! I have read it just like this...so it was not my english...maybe it's my eye....for me the part is not in front of the 400 imaginary line...it's "behind" it (i.e: nearer to the wheel center line)

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dans79 wrote:
FW17 wrote:
dans79 wrote: The rule says if it's more than 400mm in-front of the rear wheel center-line, it's not constrained by the box.
SO if the second wing is 400 in front of the rear wheel center line, it is allowed?
Yes, that's how I read that rule. However, you have to make sure you don't violate any other rules.

Must be the rule which disallows flipups and chimneys ahead of the rear wheel

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It's not more than 400mm in front the of the axle, it's right at the axle.

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matt_s wrote: Yes, but it is less than 750mm wide. (375mm from the car centre line)

My reading of the regs is that anything between the rear axle and 400mm in front of the axle cannot be more than 750mm wide if it is more than 300mm above the reference plane (reference plane is basically the plank).

And nothing can be more than 950mm above the plane.
but if this would be the case the rule refers as "center line" lines that are perpendicular each other (the rear wheel one and the car one...) that's rather confusing! if one it's "center line" the other should be "symmetry axis" or something like this...
otherwise I read "car center line" as a line parallel to the "rear wheel center line" simply placed at half the car lenght...

maybe there is a specific section in the FIA rules book where all this terminology is explained in order to avoid ambiguity...I hope so at least..
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Exclusion zone as I understand
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matt_s wrote:It's not more than 400mm in front the of the axle, it's right at the axle.
It looks in-front from this shot, but not 400mm. You also have to remember the rule has two constraints. If its total width is less than 750mm (2*375) then it still fine. Also its just a filming day, nothing on the car has to be legal.

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I don't understand why they have shown this wing device on day 1.

Its so easy to copy. I'd have brought it to FP1 at the first race to evaluate.

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A distraction perhaps?

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Do you think this part is to test the water with Charlie and the other teams as the the legality of bodywork in that area?

And the real part would be held back until they can ascertain whether it's going to be legal.

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I guess the real part cold be a shark and this wing combined.

I'm sure they have a good reason. But to a casual passer-by it seems silly to do.

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n_anirudh wrote:Exclusion zone as I understand
yes, but the box should be way smaller front to back. The rear tires are 670mm in diameter, and you could fit 2 of them in that box.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/head ... tyres.html
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My guess is that the coat rack is meant to clean up air flow from the cameras mounted to the airbox, because the area it will affect is just about the same size as those cameras. This sort of stuff wouldn't really an issue with higher wings--if it is now.

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Or it's a red herring.

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djones wrote:I don't understand why they have shown this wing device on day 1.

Its so easy to copy. I'd have brought it to FP1 at the first race to evaluate.
It might be an item that works and is legal but actually isn't worth very much lap time. However, everyone will be looking at it now just to be sure. That eats up CFD and wind tunnel time and they are both a limited resource. Maybe by pointing people at this they direct them away from something that is worthwhile investigating.

I remember back in the early days of the double diffuser row, Ross Brawn made a cryptic comment about everyone looking at the wrong end of the car for their secret. They had an outwash front wing while others had plain endplates. Maybe this is a version of that distraction technique...
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That thing will break at 350km/h and hit someone in the head.
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