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godlameroso wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:08 pm
The suspension components is the area we've seen the least of. I haven't even seen so much as a rocker arm this year.
Not helped by the fact that the MCL32's suspension components are well hidden even with the bodywork off.

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roon wrote:
Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:57 pm
godlameroso wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:08 pm
The suspension components is the area we've seen the least of. I haven't even seen so much as a rocker arm this year.
Not helped by the fact that the MCL32's suspension components are well hidden even with the bodywork off.

https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... detail.jpg
Well, let me start with the conspirancy theories. What does Mclaren have to hide hmm? :mrgreen:

Jokes aside, Mclaren suspension 'department' really stepped forward since last season when they clearly had a problem. They seem to manage tires very well. I wonder wich kind of setup with those tricky suspensions they are running.

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From Joseki autosport forum
Its interesting to see how much closer to the ground mclarens frontwing is, probably due to the high rake philosophy
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f1rules wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:17 am
From Joseki autosport forum
Its interesting to see how much closer to the ground mclarens frontwing is, probably due to the high rake philosophy
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNVlxJmW0AIjPXZ.jpg
Interesting detail, and yes, it is one of the benefits of high rake.

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mclaren111 wrote:
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https://cdn-8.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -mcl32.jpg
Nice angle
This is the first time I've seen 9 wing elements at the Y250 section.
Has anyone seen the same number, or more elements, before?

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Feel Free to start a new Thread about how Cars behave under different Aero Loads but this Thread is about the MCL32 specifically. Please stick to the Topic.
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Craigy wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:05 pm
This is the first time I've seen 9 wing elements at the Y250 section.
Has anyone seen the same number, or more elements, before?
I haven't. I've been an aficionado of counting the number of elements at a given wing section (obscure but true!), and until recently I've only seen up to 7. The McLaren Y250 wing section always looked more thin and precise than other cars all season long (even back when they only had 7 elements there), so I think they must 3D print that area.

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BloodLad91 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:00 pm
I read article by technicleformula1 and your right the update weakens vortex, couldn't understand why any team would do that since all i hear how important it is, sorry about previous comments i'm not well versed in f1 aero, so don't take my comment too seriously.
You are right in the sense that ideally they don't want to weaken the vortex. But in the same sense they don't want a vortex that stops existing under braking because of the pitch. So these slots will introduce air under the wing, which essentially prevent 'choking'. They allow the vortex to more consistently exist. Downforce will be more consistent, but peak downforce would be a little lower.
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wesley123 wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:58 pm
BloodLad91 wrote:
Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:00 pm
I read article by technicleformula1 and your right the update weakens vortex, couldn't understand why any team would do that since all i hear how important it is, sorry about previous comments i'm not well versed in f1 aero, so don't take my comment too seriously.
You are right in the sense that ideally they don't want to weaken the vortex. But in the same sense they don't want a vortex that stops existing under braking because of the pitch. So these slots will introduce air under the wing, which essentially prevent 'choking'. They allow the vortex to more consistently exist. Downforce will be more consistent, but peak downforce would be a little lower.
i think u conflate the importance of the vortex with the need of fueling it.
the vortex, there, is unwanted, it comes from regulations, so it cant be avoided and must be properly directed to the barge boards to expell it outside of the car and not disrupt the laminar flow at the sidepods and floor start

of course sometimes a vortex helps prevent stall and flux detachment, but its not the case there, cause more vorticity prevents stall but also reduces load, so u want it where u cant afford oterwise a laminar flow (like at the end of a hi load surface where the zone in the back doesnt need to brin other load anymore, for example the nolder in front of the front wheels needs more vorticity, but in front of the sidepod or floor u need laminar flow , that s why you have so many deflectors )

in the end if u inject more laminar flow into a vortex you weaken it by reducin the importance of the overall vorticity component, so they clearly want to reduce it there
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bill shoe wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:20 pm
Craigy wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:05 pm
This is the first time I've seen 9 wing elements at the Y250 section.
Has anyone seen the same number, or more elements, before?
The McLaren Y250 wing section always looked more thin and precise than other cars all season long (even back when they only had 7 elements there), so I think they must 3D print that area.
It seems like they have bigger gaps between the elements as well, something I've noticed from them during the McLaren-Honda era, and distinct from the rest of the field.

If not 3D printed, they may just have developed more streamlined processes for turning around CF parts. Something the whole field seems more adept at nowadays. The tiny features like the brake duct winglets, diffuser feathers and VGs, for the most part still show CF weave.

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McLaren's latest F1 front wing update explained - video

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... ed-975307/

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roon wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:01 pm
bill shoe wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:20 pm
Craigy wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:05 pm
This is the first time I've seen 9 wing elements at the Y250 section.
Has anyone seen the same number, or more elements, before?
The McLaren Y250 wing section always looked more thin and precise than other cars all season long (even back when they only had 7 elements there), so I think they must 3D print that area.
It seems like they have bigger gaps between the elements as well, something I've noticed from them during the McLaren-Honda era, and distinct from the rest of the field.

If not 3D printed, they may just have developed more streamlined processes for turning around CF parts. Something the whole field seems more adept at nowadays. The tiny features like the brake duct winglets, diffuser feathers and VGs, for the most part still show CF weave.
It'll be in carbonfibre, I think. Just well-made.
The 3d printing I've seen in F1 (plastics) is for 60% scale aero models generally.
In F1 some bits are created using SLS (metal additive "printing") - but you'd not use that for front wing elements.

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From AMuS,

McLaren has made giant steps on the chassis and chassis in recent races. Experts in the paddock believe, for the same reasons as Red Bull. McLaren is apparently able to lower his car on the straight back. Thus, the top speed shortcoming is not so great despite the strong employment of the vehicle. Honda has also caught up in modest steps. As long as the engine does not need the support of the MGU-H, the McLaren keep up with the competition. On the first third of the straight. Nevertheless, Alonso demands: "We also have to refill the chassis to get to the level of the top teams. On the positive side, every development step in the right direction went from the race in Hungary. "

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... 94057.html?

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Craigy wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:58 pm
roon wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:01 pm
bill shoe wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:20 pm
The McLaren Y250 wing section always looked more thin and precise than other cars all season long (even back when they only had 7 elements there), so I think they must 3D print that area.
It seems like they have bigger gaps between the elements as well, something I've noticed from them during the McLaren-Honda era, and distinct from the rest of the field.

If not 3D printed, they may just have developed more streamlined processes for turning around CF parts. Something the whole field seems more adept at nowadays. The tiny features like the brake duct winglets, diffuser feathers and VGs, for the most part still show CF weave.
It'll be in carbonfibre, I think. Just well-made.
The 3d printing I've seen in F1 (plastics) is for 60% scale aero models generally.
In F1 some bits are created using SLS (metal additive "printing") - but you'd not use that for front wing elements.
3D printing of Rapid prototyping is very heavy and weak compared to CF. It's not very used in racecar except test parts or very experimental devices just to see if it's worth producing