Haas VF-18 Ferrari

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by f1316 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:49 pm

Question is, who can they beat to move up?

- personally i’d put money on TR coming last - I suppose we’ll see if Honda get their act together in time to prevent that

-with Sauber you have the question over what’s more valuable: getting a lot of parts from Ferrari (Sauber insist on doing it themselves) or getting whatever help Alfa brings with it? I put Ericsson down as weakest of the drivers, so that could swing it

- other than that, I don’t see who they’re beating; maybe Williams if they take time to adapt to what’s supposed to be a very different concept (not to mention their driver lineup...), but I still think it’s unlikely they overhaul either them or FI and I personally expect Renault and McLaren to slot in close to the top three


So whilst I think Haas will continue to have respectable and impressive-for-a-new-team pace, I can’t see how they really move anywhere. Maybe 8th again is succes?

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by NathanOlder » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:38 pm

Yeah, Totally agree. It just shows the strength of the current field.

Maybe an extra points system for the privateer teams would give them something realistic to aim at. Like in MotoGP they have/had the top independent award, and the highest place private team in each race should get to go up on the podium. It gives these guys something to really aim at.
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Ashwinv16 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 pm

The overall design although complex many parts such as the rear wings are a carryover from last year, but then this is a rendering, more changes in testing.
Notice the Haas clearly uses the entire 5 degree allowance for the exhaust and a more aggressively angled gearbox cover, effectively minimising the lose of the monkey seat.(Well they can't be placed behind the exhaust anymore, but this rule also is part of the reason that opened up to the use of lower T-wing) The shark fin also comes much further away from the engine cover than intended due to Article 3.5.1c.
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The biggest surprise is the side pods. Complex if not more than the Ferrari and the side impact structure is placed lower like Ferrari's last year's design but it is much clearer in this design as it is abruptly cut off unlike Ferrari's 2017 design which was smoothly countered and covered
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Ferrari's design
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Red arrow showing the side impact structure positioning and green arrow showing how it fit through
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The side pod turning vanes (Well deflectors in this case now as they have been focusing on deflecting the air coming from the inner surface of Bargeboards and nose cone (Redbull last year still focused on making the air flow along the sidepods, while Haas and Ferrari focused on making the air flow above the sidepods). Although interesting is pretty much an efficient version to the more crude version they had last year.
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They also reduced the size of the delta wings(The wings attached to the nosecone), as the reshaped sidepod airflow conditioners is now higher than last years sidepod intake. (Moved it from the speculation thread)
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Vanja #66 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:24 am

This post is already in the Car thread, moved with a lot of other posts from the Speculation thread.

forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=26857&start=15#p737791
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Blackout » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:43 am

Those multiple 'l' shaped louvres underneath the BB look like the Renault ones but they're bigger and open ended at the front similar to the STR style rear endplate louvres. I like em :P
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by adrianjordan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:37 am

NathanOlder wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:38 pm
Yeah, Totally agree. It just shows the strength of the current field.

Maybe an extra points system for the privateer teams would give them something realistic to aim at. Like in MotoGP they have/had the top independent award, and the highest place private team in each race should get to go up on the podium. It gives these guys something to really aim at.
Problem is, Red Bull Racing and Mclaren would easily fit in as private teams...so that doesn't leave much for the rest...
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Vanja #66 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 pm

Batman cape on VF-18 as well? Seeing Williams and, seemingly, Haas adopt it, could we see it on the red car as well?

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by DVB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:19 pm

Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 pm
Batman cape on VF-18 as well? Seeing Williams and, seemingly, Haas adopt it, could we see it on the red car as well?
I believe they added the batman cape during 2016 season. But skipped it last year.
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Vanja #66 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:26 pm

Haas or Ferrari? There was a "bat wing" on Ferrari, but it was something completely different.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by DVB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:07 pm

Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:26 pm
Haas or Ferrari? There was a "bat wing" on Ferrari, but it was something completely different.
Ferrari.. Let me have a search where I try to find it and show it. Give some hours spitting thru the forum :P
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Vanja #66 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:09 pm

DVB wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:07 pm
Ferrari.. Let me have a search where I try to find it and show it. Give some hours spitting thru the forum :P
This?

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And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by DVB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:10 pm

Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:09 pm
DVB wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:07 pm
Ferrari.. Let me have a search where I try to find it and show it. Give some hours spitting thru the forum :P
This?

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQA ... ZDQzNA.jpg
No, it was smaller. Looking in the SF16h thread atm
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by DVB » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:12 pm

Vanja #66 wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:26 pm
Haas or Ferrari? There was a "bat wing" on Ferrari, but it was something completely different.
This one
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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by Vanja #66 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:17 pm

DVB wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:12 pm
This one
https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/amp ... t-wing.jpg
Yeah, that's the original bat wing. Thanks for reminding me! :) I don't think it has much similarities with last year's W07 "bat cape", it's much smaller, much more aggressive, it's not joined with the nose-cone...
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Re: Haas VF-18 Ferrari

Post by GM7 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:57 pm

The 2018 side view is not perfect but i tried to have a first impression.

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