Mercedes gearboxes 2010-2014 mystery

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Mercedes gearboxes 2010-2014 mystery

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I noticed something odd today and there seems to be very little info around on it. Wikipedia lists the Mercedes W01 to W05 as using xtrac 1044 gearbox internals in a Mercedes case. This struck me as odd because a) I've never heard this before, b) I thought Brackley built their own gearboxes, and c) that includes the first year of hybrid powertrains which as I understand required a full gearbox redesign.
Xtrac's Wikipedia page also claims xtrac has been Mercedes F1's official gearbox co-partner since 2010.

Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source, there are no citations for these claims on Wikipedia, and I can't find any mention of this elsewhere (including on F1 Technical), but it seems like an odd thing for someone to just make up.

Does anyone know anything about this?

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A little digging on Xtrac's website you can find their lists of champions - they don't list either F1 championships for Brawn or Mercedes (2009 and 2014-onwards), so we can at least say they don't supply them any more. They do list drivers and constructors for 2010-2013, so they supply(/supplied) Red Bull.
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There is a big difference between supplying the gearboxes or their internals, and supplying consultancy services to a team. They don't claim to be supplying the gearboxes as a supplier but also they don't say that they don't provide consultancy to the team.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 11:28 am
There is a big difference between supplying the gearboxes or their internals, and supplying consultancy services to a team. They don't claim to be supplying the gearboxes as a supplier but also they don't say that they don't provide consultancy to the team.
So they had a phone conversation with someone in the building once and now they're partners :lol: Happens with CAD software all the time, 1 person in a company orders a trial and they're official suppliers.
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What ever a team manufactures within the car there is always suppliers.

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Of course. But if I supply you with billet aluminium which you then machine to form gearbox parts, does that make me a gearbox supplier? Of course not. If I supply you with gearbox components e.g. gear sets, then yes, I am a gearbox supplier.

The original question was whether Xtrac fit in to the latter category or not.
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