Sauber C38 speculation thread

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But for naming I hope they break free of all other teams and bring some Italian swing into F1. So please Alfa... no ARR01 or AR19 but please please.... just like a good Alfa... a womans name,

Name her Sofia

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I meant.. the manufacturer name sorry.

The Team name is Alfa-remeo racing..
But the manufacturer name... will it still be Sauber?

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Jolle wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:49 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 pm
Jolle wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:48 pm


If you are referring to Mercedes' car naming, their chassis numbers for all their cars always starting with a W (from Wagen I presume) or for instance a S for stationewagen. I myself had a W115 and a S204 for a while (a '71 200d and a '09 C320CDI-AMG)
I know they have always been named like that. I was just pointing out the Chassis name doesn't have to contain the team name.
Oh but the rule is that you have to race your own chassis. So it hasn't got to have the name, but you must be the manufacturer. This was the case with FI last year. The team had to be named FI because the manufacturer was FI, not Racing Point. That the car was named VJM didn't matter.

This year the team will be called Alfa Romeo, so a little plaque in the car must read "manufactured by Alfa Romeo"
But Dallara produce the Chassis for Haas. That breaks that supposed rule surely ?
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:44 am
Jolle wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:49 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 pm


I know they have always been named like that. I was just pointing out the Chassis name doesn't have to contain the team name.
Oh but the rule is that you have to race your own chassis. So it hasn't got to have the name, but you must be the manufacturer. This was the case with FI last year. The team had to be named FI because the manufacturer was FI, not Racing Point. That the car was named VJM didn't matter.

This year the team will be called Alfa Romeo, so a little plaque in the car must read "manufactured by Alfa Romeo"
But Dallara produce the Chassis for Haas. That breaks that supposed rule surely ?
Teams dont have to manufacture a single component of the car, at all. For decades over half the grid had other companies manufacture chassis and other large components for them, all the team is responsible for is design and engineering.

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Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:30 pm
Well the team is now Alfa Romeo racing.. But it is yet to be seen if the chassis name will remain a Sauber!
The team name has to include the chassis name. So the chassis designation can't be Sauber which is kind of sad - even BMW kept the Sauber name (I guess Peter Sauber was still involved at that stage).
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jjn9128 wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:02 am
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:30 pm
Well the team is now Alfa Romeo racing.. But it is yet to be seen if the chassis name will remain a Sauber!
The team name has to include the chassis name. So the chassis designation can't be Sauber which is kind of sad - even BMW kept the Sauber name (I guess Peter Sauber was still involved at that stage).
If the team name has to include the chassis name, the team names change every year as the chassis names change every year.
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:02 pm
If the team name has to include the chassis name, the team names change every year as the chassis names change every year.
I think he meant it the other way round, so the chassis has to include the team name.

Merceds [team name] Chassis : Mercedes WXX
Ferrari [team name] Chassis : Ferrari FxxT
Alfa Romeo [team name] Chassis : Alfa Romeo AR01

At least that`s from what I understand...

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You're confusing chassis name with chassis designation. e.g. the W10/C38 are internal designations for the teams.
From the entry form for F1 teams:
CONSTRUCTOR'S DETAILS OF ENTRY
National Competitor Licence
Issued By
Number
Team Name
(Which must include the name of the chassis)
Using Mercedes as an example the team name is the "Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport" they use a Mercedes chassis so Mercedes has to appear in the full team name. It's the reason Racing Stroll Points had to keep Force India in their name - as the chassis was called "Force India".
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:44 am
Jolle wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:49 pm
NathanOlder wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:38 pm


I know they have always been named like that. I was just pointing out the Chassis name doesn't have to contain the team name.
Oh but the rule is that you have to race your own chassis. So it hasn't got to have the name, but you must be the manufacturer. This was the case with FI last year. The team had to be named FI because the manufacturer was FI, not Racing Point. That the car was named VJM didn't matter.

This year the team will be called Alfa Romeo, so a little plaque in the car must read "manufactured by Alfa Romeo"
But Dallara produce the Chassis for Haas. That breaks that supposed rule surely ?
It’s a bit of a gray area of course. Since Toro Rosso ran a Red Bull chassis in their first year, you have to at least own the design and I guess it has to bear your name, in which plant it was glued together doesn’t make a whole lot of difference. I have on the other hand no idea how Suzuki did it with the old Arrow’s chassis.

Next to the chassis name you need to have of course the green light of the other teams to change your core name without losing your license (and bonus pay). That’s one of the reasons BMW still kept the Sauber name (and you have to request it in time, else you’ll get a BMW Sauber with a Ferrari engine like we’ve seen). So, lots of rules and small writing.

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Alfa Romeo have confirmed that the chassis name is now Alfa Romeo Racing

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so now AR is trolling us fans with their swirly/camo testing liveries

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To me "Quadrifoglio" is much more than AMG, M, R... With all the respect i dont think its fair to use the word swirl/camo for the "Quadrifoglio". To me She represents the Goddess statute :)

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Apparently Sauber are at Fiorano today for a shakedown with their new car in the hands of Giovinazzi
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