Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Sierra117 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm

atanatizante wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:50 am
Interesting to watch how Merc F1 is testing & developing car`s components:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqR6zNyUsU
Wow that was amazing. Someone lock me in that room! 😁
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:13 pm

Sierra117 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm
atanatizante wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:50 am
Interesting to watch how Merc F1 is testing & developing car`s components:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqR6zNyUsU
Wow that was amazing. Someone lock me in that room! 😁
I second that. They produce some great content!

On a side note, Hamilton has a new chassis for Suzuka (which was inspected by Jo Bauer of the FIA), and Motorsport Italy is reporting that it is the new, lightweight chassis that was rumored back in Hockenheim. https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... 55526/amp/

Unrelated, a few nice photos:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Sierra117 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:20 am

I was going through the Suzuka lap from 2017 and thought to make a comparison vid like Juzh. First time doing it so unsure if I selected the most accurate start point but I went with when their throttle becomes "intentional" for the start of the lap.

https://streamable.com/67q7s
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by LuisFeF1 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:15 pm

In Japan, Mercedes added a new vertical fin on the floor just ahead of the rear brake ducts.
Pointed with a green arrow in the image below:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by digitalrurouni » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:17 pm

So what's up with that lightweight chassis? Didn't seem to help Hamilton much if at all. Was it confirmed or a rumour? What kind of weight difference are we talking about? I guess advantage would be more possibility of ballast?

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:38 am

Damage to Hamilton's car from LEC debris:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by f1jcw » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:49 am

It looks like they have put stickers all over the impact points, I wonder if they are going to make a complaint.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by MtthsMlw » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:52 am

f1jcw wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:49 am
It looks like they have put stickers all over the impact points, I wonder if they are going to make a complaint.
That's confetti :D

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:02 am

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:15 pm
In Japan, Mercedes added a new vertical fin on the floor just ahead of the rear brake ducts.
Pointed with a green arrow in the image below:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/488 ... 7488_c.jpg
They're also running the wake sensors again. Presumably to check the effect of the changes up stream.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 am

So, apparently, the W10 is heavily affected by wind (which makes sense, given the nature of both the front wing design and the amount of aerodynamically-sensitive appendages the car has).

That's what hurt the W10 in qualifying in Japan.

On Friday, Ferrari looked in no shape to threaten the Mercedes. Ok, so the cars were running old Spec One motors in low modes during practice. But that didn’t explain the 1sec deficit to them. In normal – un-windy – conditions, the Mercedes' downforce advantage through the long corners was decisive. But as well as changing to the Spec Three engines for Sunday, Ferrari reduced the rear wing level, bringing a better balance.

Furthermore, the Mercedes – like the Red Bull – has the loaded outboard front wing, with the full depth elements that give greater direct front wing downforce and contribute to its greater overall aero effectiveness, so long as the outwash around the wheels can be adequately controlled. Achieving that control is somewhat marginal – which is the whole reason it took Red Bull half a season to switch on the RB15. It gives greater downforce than the Ferrari-style unloaded outer wing, but it’s much peakier.

The Mercedes aero team has done a fantastic job of ameliorating that trait with the W10, but Suzuka on Sunday showed that all it takes is a gusty, unpredictable wind, and the car loses some of its sure-footedness. It under-performed here just as surely as it did in the last windy qualifying we had – in Bahrain.

Charles Leclerc was somewhat shell-shocked to be two tenths adrift of Vettel, despite feeling he’d left little, if anything, on the table.

Mercedes was slightly slower in every sector, the drivers just not confident in leaning on it as hard as the Ferrari guys. Valtteri Bottas shaded Lewis Hamilton by a hundredth to go third.

They were over half a second clear of the Red Bulls which had the same problem as the Mercedes but more so and still a power shortfall despite the much-heralded new Mobil fuel for the Spec Four Honda engine. They were running significantly less wing than either Ferrari or Mercedes.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Just_a_fan » Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:25 am

zibby43 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 am
It would be worth adding a source for that quote. Is it the Mark Hughes article?
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by etusch » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:41 am

After Massa incident FİA's reaction of this is unacceptable

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:51 pm

Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:25 am
zibby43 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 am
It would be worth adding a source for that quote. Is it the Mark Hughes article?
Yes, from his race report.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opin ... ampionship

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:48 am

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by MtthsMlw » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:06 am

Do we know if this update was planned for this year's car or did they bring it forward from next year's car like Ferrari might have done?