Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:16 am

M840TR wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:05 am
JasonF1 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:55 am
It does look to be a low downforce wing as well.
I can't notice anything in the image that suggests low downforce; the flap arrangement is pretty much the same.
The only thing I can think of is the width of the flaps. It could be the proximity/angle, but it appears the Baku flaps are narrower in size (less surface area, lower downforce). For example, on the Baku spec, the Petronas green stripes appear thicker/shorter.

Maybe I'm wrong. Just going off the eye test and less than ideal image quality. I'm sure better photos will follow later.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by M840TR » Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:49 am

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:16 am
M840TR wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:05 am
JasonF1 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:55 am
It does look to be a low downforce wing as well.
I can't notice anything in the image that suggests low downforce; the flap arrangement is pretty much the same.
The only thing I can think of is the width of the flaps. It could be the proximity/angle, but it appears the Baku flaps are narrower in size (less surface area, lower downforce). For example, on the Baku spec, the Petronas green stripes appear thicker/shorter.

Maybe I'm wrong. Just going off the eye test and less than ideal image quality. I'm sure better photos will follow later.
It's definitely just the angle of the photo. You can infer that by looking at the mainplane.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by MtthsMlw » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:15 am

Y250 seems identical the differences are in the outer section. Though I think nothing is new here for this race. The bottom one is launch spec and the top one from China (?)
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:18 am

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Comparison with the rear wing they brought to China (via @AlbertFabrega)
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by wesley123 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:20 am

GrandAxe wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:13 pm
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http://postimg.cc/kB31LgVQ

They added some little rake ...
And this is the first time this year when they used again the new rear wheel rims?
Good catch.

Notably, Lewis had just swerved when that pic was taken.
The rake seems to vary depending on the area of the track - similar to Ferrari diving in corners and squatting on straights during the Barcelona tests. Tellingly, Merc experimented with different wing heights in the first week of that test.

Here is an image from the Chinese gp showing pronounced rake and low front wing from both Mercs while cornering (one braking, the other accelerating):

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod ... /2000.jpeg
Credit - AP news.
That's body roll you're seeing.
Here's another showing higher front wings:

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fo ... /image.jpg
Credit Formula1.com

Last one from China, on a straight, showing "normal" Merc rake:

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... mg-w-1.jpg
Nothing has changed really, you can compare it with the turqoise part of the rim. Floor is around the top point of this turqoise piece.
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:07 pm

The properly fixed front wing
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:45 pm

Serrated edges on the low-downforce Baku rear wing
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:25 pm

Morteza wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:45 pm
Serrated edges on the low-downforce Baku rear wing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4_-E91W0AAtQsK.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4_-E96X4AEWM5v.jpg
Via @tgruener
Ha, we predicted this way early in the thread - the serrations we bound to come back to delay flow separation on some of these aggressive wings.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:33 pm

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 pm

It's worth noting the rear wing main plane serrations mirror across the center line of the car. I wonder how much time they think that little detail is worth.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:48 pm

dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 pm
It's worth noting the rear wing main plane serrations mirror across the center line of the car. I wonder how much time they think that little detail is worth.
Probably not as much as the super tight rear body opening - jeez that's TIGHT!

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by subcritical71 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:00 pm

mantikos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:48 pm
dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 pm
It's worth noting the rear wing main plane serrations mirror across the center line of the car. I wonder how much time they think that little detail is worth.
Probably not as much as the super tight rear body opening - jeez that's TIGHT!
Would the serrations be used to keep a smooth out the high and low pressure airflow being directed under the upper flap, therefore making the overall rear wing more efficient for the same chord angles?

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:03 pm

mantikos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:48 pm
dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 pm
It's worth noting the rear wing main plane serrations mirror across the center line of the car. I wonder how much time they think that little detail is worth.
Probably not as much as the super tight rear body opening - jeez that's TIGHT!
Didn't that first debut in china? I seem to remember Giorgio Piola mentioning something about it, and saying it would improve the efficiency of the rear wing.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Morteza » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:11 pm

dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:03 pm
mantikos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:48 pm
dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:39 pm
It's worth noting the rear wing main plane serrations mirror across the center line of the car. I wonder how much time they think that little detail is worth.
Probably not as much as the super tight rear body opening - jeez that's TIGHT!
Didn't that first debut in china? I seem to remember Giorgio Piola mentioning something about it, and saying it would improve the efficiency of the rear wing.
It debuted in China, yes. MtthsMlw posted a great shot of it on page 63
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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:12 pm

I found it, it was china.
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