Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:45 pm

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:30 pm

Nothing on the halo.



Also, in a few of these photo you can see the difference in the span of the flap configuration between the pre-China FW (bottom) and the China FW (top), as Merc has brought both versions in low downforce spec:


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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:07 pm

It looks like they will be using FP1 as a testing session, to see what FW is best for the given track and tire conditions.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:08 pm

dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:07 pm
It looks like they will be using FP1 as a testing session, to see what FW is best for the given track and tire conditions.
It'll be nice to have that flexibility over the course of the season.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:25 pm

zibby43 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:08 pm
dans79 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:07 pm
It looks like they will be using FP1 as a testing session, to see what FW is best for the given track and tire conditions.
It'll be nice to have that flexibility over the course of the season.
It's definitely interesting. Ferrari & Mercedes seem to be polar opposite this year.Ferrari have a Lower drag lower down-force philosophy, while Mercedes has a higher drag, higher down-force philosophy.

Mercedes updates so far this year, all look to be about decreasing drag, while trying to maintain the same amount of down-force. Ferrari's updates seem to be about increasing down-force while trying to maintain the same amount of drag.

Personally, I'd rather be in Mercedes situation, as I think its easier to reduce drag, than it is to come up with down-force. Not to mention I also think its easier to trim back down-force, than it is to come up with more of it for any given track.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Bill_Kar » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:27 pm

Can someone explain the rear wing thing to a non-expert like me?

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by mantikos » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:34 pm

Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:27 pm
Can someone explain the rear wing thing to a non-expert like me?
A few pages ago - Dans and I had a discussion around flow separation and serrations. Please refer to that.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by Bill_Kar » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:36 pm

mantikos wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:34 pm
Bill_Kar wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:27 pm
Can someone explain the rear wing thing to a non-expert like me?
A few pages ago - Dans and I had a discussion around flow separation and serrations. Please refer to that.
Thank you!

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by F1Krof » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:46 pm

Two different front wings. Intereseting

First one is more in line with what Ferrari's have. Interesting to see which one works best.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by dans79 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:53 pm

F1Krof wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:46 pm
Two different front wings. Intereseting

First one is more in line with what Ferrari's have. Interesting to see which one works best.

https://snag.gy/NO0Zdp.jpg
The new one (top) isn't Ferrari like, its just a low down-force derivative of the Mercedes philosophy. For it to be Ferrari like, the outboard sections of the elements would need to be substantially lower than the inboard sections.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:07 am

F1Krof wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:46 pm
Two different front wings. Intereseting

First one is more in line with what Ferrari's have. Interesting to see which one works best.

https://snag.gy/NO0Zdp.jpg
As dans79 pointed out, they weren't going for a Ferrari style wing at all. They were just trying to energize and affect the outwash with some tweaks to the flaps and end plate cutout. Ferrari's outboard flaps fall away much, much more dramatically.

Also, they've run both of these wings already this season, just not in their lower downforce specifications.

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by M840TR » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:51 am

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by zibby43 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:07 am

Close up of the RW serrations:



Baku (top)/China (bottom) RW comparison:

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Great angle on the FW:

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Re: Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

Post by M840TR » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:42 am

zibby43 wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:07 am
Close up of the RW serrations:

https://twitter.com/NicolasF1i/status/1 ... 2095499264

Baku (top)/China (bottom) RW comparison:

https://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp- ... r_wing.jpg

Great angle on the FW:

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... -det-1.jpg
Well that's a major revision on the endplates... Are we sure it's just for reducing drag and not a change in philosophy towards tapered flap arrangement?