Scuderia Ferrari SF90

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Morteza » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:19 pm

Looks like Ferrari will run a rear wing comparison in FP1. Leclercs car fitted with the spoon shaped main plane (upper pic). Flaps are different too as you can see by looking at the "90 years" sticker.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:26 pm

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by MtthsMlw » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:27 pm

Rather similiar from this angle.
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just wanted to share the beautiful SF70h again..

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by MtthsMlw » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:57 pm

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by roon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:02 am

Is it simply that Ferrari have more center downforce (bargeboards, floor front, mid wings) that allows them to run a smaller front wing than Red Bull or Mercedes?

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by falonso81 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:43 am

Regarding the last photo that shows the rear end. There seems to be only one wastegate exhaust pipe. I seem to remember 2 pipes stacked on top of each other. Did I miss something?

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by zibby43 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:09 am

falonso81 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:43 am
Regarding the last photo that shows the rear end. There seems to be only one wastegate exhaust pipe. I seem to remember 2 pipes stacked on top of each other. Did I miss something?
It's been like that since the second week of preseason testing in Barcelona.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by zibby43 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:42 am

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by SiLo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:40 am

roon wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:02 am
Is it simply that Ferrari have more center downforce (bargeboards, floor front, mid wings) that allows them to run a smaller front wing than Red Bull or Mercedes?
No, it's just their philosophy for front wing design and car design. They generate outwash by letting air spill off the outside of the wing between the endplate and planes of the wing.

The inside of the wing will still be generating a lot of downforce.
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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by ScrewCaptain27 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:28 pm

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by roon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:21 pm

SiLo wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:40 am
roon wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:02 am
Is it simply that Ferrari have more center downforce (bargeboards, floor front, mid wings) that allows them to run a smaller front wing than Red Bull or Mercedes?
No, it's just their philosophy for front wing design and car design. They generate outwash by letting air spill off the outside of the wing between the endplate and planes of the wing.

The inside of the wing will still be generating a lot of downforce.
Regardless of spillage, how do they and other teams get away with less front wing downforce? Assuming this can be deduced visually--which we commonly do with the rear wing (short Monza wings vs tall Monaco wings). With these tapered/anhedral front wings we similarly see less frontal area and a shallower angle of attack at the outer half. Seemingly less air is being directed upward.

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by MtthsMlw » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:27 pm

I like how that ERS cooler is just floating there

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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by Ashwinv16 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:16 am

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Just a thing to note, Vettel Matched Hamilton on that pole lap, showing that the Ferrari can go quick in the medium and Speed Corners, thus no clearly indicating that the front wing is the problem. So Hope the update in french gp with the front wing will bring them close to Mercedes. I mean it worked for Mclaren with their philosophy change i don't see why Ferrari can't do it too.
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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by siskue2005 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:18 am

Ashwinv16 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:16 am
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15IjYkP ... p=drivesdk

Just a thing to note, Vettel Matched Hamilton on that pole lap, showing that the Ferrari can go quick in the medium and Speed Corners, thus no clearly indicating that the front wing is the problem. So Hope the update in french gp with the front wing will bring them close to Mercedes. I mean it worked for Mclaren with their philosophy change i don't see why Ferrari can't do it too.
Sorry, but that is not where he gained the time
see the picture below the red color is where he gained time and it is 99% on the straights
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Re: Scuderia Ferrari SF90

Post by MichaelFerrari » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:57 am

Yes, but obviously his point simply implies that Vet didn't really lose anything in the corners... Hence the use of "match"

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