Red Bull RB15

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by lio007 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:41 pm

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:02 pm
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NEW BARGEBOARD

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It is shorter than the previous version (white and red arrows)
Now it is not attached to the Turning Vanes (green arrows) and then we can see part of the Splitter (yellow arrow)
There is one error in the comparison-pic: the first is not from Monza but from Silverstone (look at the special 007-livery)

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by godlameroso » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:16 pm

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:02 pm
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NEW BARGEBOARD

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/487 ... c8c3_c.jpg

It is shorter than the previous version (white and red arrows)
Now it is not attached to the Turning Vanes (green arrows) and then we can see part of the Splitter (yellow arrow)
Looks like they're trying to divert more airflow towards the bargeboards with that cutout.
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by LuisFeF1 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:10 am

lio007 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:41 pm
There is one error in the comparison-pic: the first is not from Monza but from Silverstone (look at the special 007-livery)
It really is not a mistake. I already knew that the image is not from Italy.
We are talking about bargeboards not sponsors!
As you know the last update of the bargeboard was in Spain. From Spain to Italy I only chosen the best image to make the comparison.
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Capharol » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:28 am

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:10 am
lio007 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:41 pm
There is one error in the comparison-pic: the first is not from Monza but from Silverstone (look at the special 007-livery)
It really is not a mistake. I already knew that the image is not from Italy.
We are talking about bargeboards not sponsors!
As you know the last update of the bargeboard was in Spain. From Spain to Italy I only chosen the best image to make the comparison.
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he could be correct anyway, because they only used the 007 - Logo at Silverstone and not at Monza, that's what he meant

this one is taken on thursday at Monza
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by Morteza » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:01 pm

RB15's diffuser in Singapore
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by LuisFeF1 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 pm

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·It seems that "Red Bull" has trimmed part of the two central vertical fins.
·Or it could also be that these fins are inclined.
·Or is it perhaps an optical effect?
What do you think?

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by MtthsMlw » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:40 pm

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:40 pm
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/487 ... 837c_o.jpg

·It seems that "Red Bull" has trimmed part of the two central vertical fins.
·Or it could also be that these fins are inclined.
·Or is it perhaps an optical effect?
What do you think?
My first impression was that they are inclined but in this shot the left one seems straight and the right one inclined.
Weird optical effect.. :?
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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by LuisFeF1 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:05 pm

MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:40 pm
My first impression was that they are inclined but in this shot the left one seems straight and the right one inclined.
Weird optical effect.. :?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE7LcdqXkAM ... name=large
Look at the green arrows:
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In the Singapore difuser the double arrow is longer than old version, while blue arrows are practically the same lenght.
Well, I am almost convinced that there is a new diffuser.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by MtthsMlw » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:09 pm

LuisFeF1 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:05 pm
MtthsMlw wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:40 pm
My first impression was that they are inclined but in this shot the left one seems straight and the right one inclined.
Weird optical effect.. :?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE7LcdqXkAM ... name=large
Look at the green arrows:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/487 ... 87a4_c.jpg

In the Singapore difuser the double arrow is longer than old version, while blue arrows are practically the same lenght.
Well, I am almost convinced that there is a new diffuser.
Yes that top picture shows it quite well. The outer most vertical strakes are different too. Bit longer and splitted in to two if I see that correctly.
Depends on from when that top pic is though. Don't know if thats an older update.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by LuisFeF1 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:07 pm

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More changes in the new Red Bull diffuser:

Two cuts instead of one at the bottom of the vertical fins (See red and green arrows)

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by hkbruin » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 pm

I think Red Bull was running too much rear wing on their car during the Singapore weekend. I think the drag penalty was more significant than the added downforce..

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by GhostF1 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:35 am

hkbruin wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 pm
I think Red Bull was running too much rear wing on their car during the Singapore weekend. I think the drag penalty was more significant than the added downforce..
Doesn't look like they had any issues with speed whatsoever tbh. Their issue was incorrect chassis/suspension setup caused by false simulator data for the Singapore track.

https://www.grandprix.com/news/simulato ... marko.html

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by ispano6 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:10 pm

GhostF1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:35 am
hkbruin wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:05 pm
I think Red Bull was running too much rear wing on their car during the Singapore weekend. I think the drag penalty was more significant than the added downforce..
Doesn't look like they had any issues with speed whatsoever tbh. Their issue was incorrect chassis/suspension setup caused by false simulator data for the Singapore track.

https://www.grandprix.com/news/simulato ... marko.html
If max downforce was the goal and if they still lacked downforce, then they indeed were adding drag. Straight line speed was honestly concerning but probably expected with high df package thinking they can make up time in the corners. Also the fact that they didn't bring parts to be able to go in a different direction seems rather silly. I'm sure they've learned a real good lesson.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by nzjrs » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:32 pm

ispano6 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:10 pm
If max downforce was the goal and if they still lacked downforce, then they indeed were adding drag. Straight line speed was honestly concerning but probably expected with high df package thinking they can make up time in the corners. Also the fact that they didn't bring parts to be able to go in a different direction seems rather silly. I'm sure they've learned a real good lesson.
I asked already, but I really wonder to what they could be referring when they said they didn't have the parts to change the setup. What is so difficult to transport that they could not bring with them? Considering they typically have parts for 1.5 complete spare cars trackside, does that imply they have another chassis version that is more/less/stiff? or some complete alternative suspension parts that were too heavy to bring with?

Its a fascinating insight IMO.

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Re: Red Bull RB15

Post by LuisFeF1 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:28 pm

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Russian GP: New reinforcement for Turning Vanes?
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