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LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
That is not too different to last year. The SF90 was fine at high speed (remember S1 in suzuka), it was bad in medium and low speed for the most part though. The SF1000 does have more downforce obviously and eyeballing it, it seems Merc decided to go with less wing for this race, which would explain that

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
This is what I was thinking myself, could they possibly have made a car that's faster than Mercedes in the corners? I don't believe that, maybe Mercedes have the setup wrong somehow. Need to see this on a more representative track, Hungary should also be very very interesting, that should paint the full picture

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cokata wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:38 pm
LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
That is not too different to last year. The SF90 was fine at high speed (remember S1 in suzuka), it was bad in medium and low speed for the most part though. The SF1000 does have more downforce obviously and eyeballing it, it seems Merc decided to go with less wing for this race, which would explain that
Mercedes running less wing this weekend is really interesting to me, they almost never did this last year except at the tracks where it was very very necessary ie Spa, Monza, Azerbaijan. Otherwise they almost always ran with the full wing config. The engine is a big step forward this year so I wonder why they'd run less wing, maybe they made a step in terms of how much DF they get from the floor/diffuser?

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Ferrari says a correlation problem between the figures seen in simulations and how its SF1000 performed on track left its Formula 1 car aerodynamically 'fragile' in its current spec.
How many decades do they need to solve those correlation problems? #-o Season 2018, updates didn't work, 3 GPs struggled with them, then Ferrari removed updates - Kimi won US 2018. What the hell they are doing there for so long time with not solved correlation problems? I didn't count but how many times did they bring updates for floor which didn't work as they want?

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15031 ... -struggles

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
The way I see this is that Hamilton was slightly earlier on the brakes to Vettel (which is understandable given the higher speed he is braking from), ends up slower in the apex, but is also earlier on the power compared to Vettel. So it is probably not about Ferrari being faster in the corners, but rather Hamilton potentially sacrificing some apex speed to get into the power earlier (difference in driving style).

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jumpingfish wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:46 pm
SF1000 vs SF90 in FP2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAhrdTWsAI ... name=large

from @Fred__18
No way I believe any of this when you look at the lap times in the corner it shows how accurate it is

The Chart says

SF90 - 1.05.924
SF1000 - 1.04.816

Reality

SF90 - 1.05.086
SF1000 - 1.04.961

If you believe the chart, ferrari improved by 1.108

In reality Ferrari improved by 0.125
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NathanOlder wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:16 am
jumpingfish wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:46 pm
SF1000 vs SF90 in FP2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAhrdTWsAI ... name=large

from @Fred__18
No way I believe any of this when you look at the lap times in the corner it shows how accurate it is

The Chart says

SF90 - 1.05.924
SF1000 - 1.04.816

Reality

SF90 - 1.05.086
SF1000 - 1.04.961

If you believe the chart, ferrari improved by 1.108

In reality Ferrari improved by 0.125
Yeah, Federico added answer to his post that he was wrong with SF90 lap time, misprint

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e30ernest wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:19 am
LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
The way I see this is that Hamilton was slightly earlier on the brakes to Vettel (which is understandable given the higher speed he is braking from), ends up slower in the apex, but is also earlier on the power compared to Vettel. So it is probably not about Ferrari being faster in the corners, but rather Hamilton potentially sacrificing some apex speed to get into the power earlier (difference in driving style).
Simple explanation for that, Merc running lower downforce (the rear and front wing of Merc is lower than their usual size) in relation to Ferrari and that explains earlier breaking, lower corner speed and higher top speed

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wowgr8 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:43 am

Mercedes running less wing this weekend is really interesting to me, they almost never did this last year except at the tracks where it was very very necessary ie Spa, Monza, Azerbaijan. Otherwise they almost always ran with the full wing config. The engine is a big step forward this year so I wonder why they'd run less wing, maybe they made a step in terms of how much DF they get from the floor/diffuser?
They said last year that they'd gone for a "down force at all cost" approach. This year's car is more balanced in it's approach to downforce / straight line speed.
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We know Ferrari hasn't brought any aerodynamic upgrades to Austria. But what about the PU? Is it also test spec or the reported new one?

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LM10 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:15 pm
We know Ferrari hasn't brought any aerodynamic upgrades to Austria. But what about the PU? Is it also test spec or the reported new one?
I read Binotto said they have got the same engines they had at the time in Australia
https://the-race.com/formula-1/renault- ... -upgrades/

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wowgr8 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:43 am
cokata wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:38 pm
LM10 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:31 pm


Now, that's very interesting. Ferrari faster than Mercedes in most of the corners. Either that's a mistake or that Ferrari has a lot of downforce.
That is not too different to last year. The SF90 was fine at high speed (remember S1 in suzuka), it was bad in medium and low speed for the most part though. The SF1000 does have more downforce obviously and eyeballing it, it seems Merc decided to go with less wing for this race, which would explain that
Mercedes running less wing this weekend is really interesting to me, they almost never did this last year except at the tracks where it was very very necessary ie Spa, Monza, Azerbaijan. Otherwise they almost always ran with the full wing config. The engine is a big step forward this year so I wonder why they'd run less wing, maybe they made a step in terms of how much DF they get from the floor/diffuser?
Also Fer always gets the worse exit by far, which means they do an early apex. I'm pretty sure they still lose time despite carrying more minimum speed

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jumpingfish wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:23 pm
LM10 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:15 pm
We know Ferrari hasn't brought any aerodynamic upgrades to Austria. But what about the PU? Is it also test spec or the reported new one?
I read Binotto said they have got the same engines they had at the time in Australia
https://the-race.com/formula-1/renault- ... -upgrades/
Thank you.

Seems I missed the news that power upgrades are not allowed this year. When has this been decided?

And does that mean that during the season the manufactures aren’t allowed to work on their PUs in regards of power upgrades they’ll bring next year?

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You alldon't understand. After 3 years fo lost battles against mercedes, last year decided tactically to switch and ancicipate car development for 2021 with total new rules from zero, the same Renault did. That's it. It is why also put under contract two young drivers and invest on future. Unfortunately Covid came then and now Ferrari has to race 2020 and 2021 season with 2019 car. Very simple

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e30ernest wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:19 am

The way I see this is that Hamilton was slightly earlier on the brakes to Vettel (which is understandable given the higher speed he is braking from), ends up slower in the apex, but is also earlier on the power compared to Vettel. So it is probably not about Ferrari being faster in the corners, but rather Hamilton potentially sacrificing some apex speed to get into the power earlier (difference in driving style).
I feel Hamilton V-ing the corners would make the biggest difference in the low speed corners but the low(est) speed corners is where the difference is smallest or Hamilton actually gains time on the Ferrari