Ferrari SF1000

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jumpingfish wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:56 pm
Vettel's onboard

https://twitter.com/deadlinex/status/12 ... 4719392768
What the hell...

Scorpaguy
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Binotto, "We need to understand why there is a gap?!?!"

Arrivabene, "It is because your car is 0.8 seconds slower a lap than last year's."
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Hi guys, i just wish to post my 2 cts on the current situation. Everybody seems to be hitting wayyy too hard on Binotto.
Ferrari's main rivals are blaming them to be liars and cheaters, but do we really believe merc buikt such an advantage over the rest of the field, without bending the rules, twisting the rules?? And honda, who made massive strides forward witht he engine in a few months (winter 18/spring 19) did it completely legally?? Only fools can believe that!

The problem is that Ferrari got caught, unfortunately, probably because they went too far.

Back to the car, i'm no technical specialist, but it seems pretty obvious why the SF1000 is so slow for now :

Back in 2019 they realized very quickly, after a few races, what was wrong with the SF90, and applied the corrections for the SF1000 : adding downforce at all costs. This calculation was based using last year's engine, and hoping to add even more HP by the beginning of 2020.
This happened at the very early stages of development of the car, certainly spring /summer 2019.

When the engine was declared "semi illegal" by the end of the year, the SF1000 was already "built" so to speak, the main parameters of the car were set, thus leaving the team to change their development route in the winter, when only a few days of testing were possible.

During a normal season, by now, they should have been able to catch up at around barcelona gp, but we all know this year is special, unfortunately for Ferrari, too short.

As to why they didn't upgrade their engine before the 2 years freeze, i have no clue!

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MichaelFerrari wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 pm
Hi guys, i just wish to post my 2 cts on the current situation. Everybody seems to be hitting wayyy too hard on Binotto.
Ferrari's main rivals are blaming them to be liars and cheaters, but do we really believe merc buikt such an advantage over the rest of the field, without bending the rules, twisting the rules?? And honda, who made massive strides forward witht he engine in a few months (winter 18/spring 19) did it completely legally?? Only fools can believe that!

The problem is that Ferrari got caught, unfortunately, probably because they went too far.

Back to the car, i'm no technical specialist, but it seems pretty obvious why the SF1000 is so slow for now :

Back in 2019 they realized very quickly, after a few races, what was wrong with the SF90, and applied the corrections for the SF1000 : adding downforce at all costs. This calculation was based using last year's engine, and hoping to add even more HP by the beginning of 2020.
This happened at the very early stages of development of the car, certainly spring /summer 2019.

When the engine was declared "semi illegal" by the end of the year, the SF1000 was already "built" so to speak, the main parameters of the car were set, thus leaving the team to change their development route in the winter, when only a few days of testing were possible.

During a normal season, by now, they should have been able to catch up at around barcelona gp, but we all know this year is special, unfortunately for Ferrari, too short.

As to why they didn't upgrade their engine before the 2 years freeze, i have no clue!
Mic...valid points. However, "hitting wayyy too hard" on Big Red is a bit of a time honored F1 pastime. A few decades back, Ferrari lost the edge in the engineering wars. Now, no one is going to out Merc Mercedes. It seems that having left the age of "seat of the pants, grease and all, engineering" and entering the "virtual/fluid dynamics era" has left Binotto and all his predecessors completely nonplussed. So now, Ferrari's team politics eats its own...each is given 18 month's chance at a fool's errand. Big Red will likely never win anther WCC...or even a WDC. However, the Three Stooges-esc attempts at such will be supremely entertaining.

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Scorpaguy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:41 pm
MichaelFerrari wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 pm
Hi guys, i just wish to post my 2 cts on the current situation. Everybody seems to be hitting wayyy too hard on Binotto.
Ferrari's main rivals are blaming them to be liars and cheaters, but do we really believe merc buikt such an advantage over the rest of the field, without bending the rules, twisting the rules?? And honda, who made massive strides forward witht he engine in a few months (winter 18/spring 19) did it completely legally?? Only fools can believe that!

The problem is that Ferrari got caught, unfortunately, probably because they went too far.

Back to the car, i'm no technical specialist, but it seems pretty obvious why the SF1000 is so slow for now :

Back in 2019 they realized very quickly, after a few races, what was wrong with the SF90, and applied the corrections for the SF1000 : adding downforce at all costs. This calculation was based using last year's engine, and hoping to add even more HP by the beginning of 2020.
This happened at the very early stages of development of the car, certainly spring /summer 2019.

When the engine was declared "semi illegal" by the end of the year, the SF1000 was already "built" so to speak, the main parameters of the car were set, thus leaving the team to change their development route in the winter, when only a few days of testing were possible.

During a normal season, by now, they should have been able to catch up at around barcelona gp, but we all know this year is special, unfortunately for Ferrari, too short.

As to why they didn't upgrade their engine before the 2 years freeze, i have no clue!
Mic...valid points. However, "hitting wayyy too hard" on Big Red is a bit of a time honored F1 pastime. A few decades back, Ferrari lost the edge in the engineering wars. Now, no one is going to out Merc Mercedes. It seems that having left the age of "seat of the pants, grease and all, engineering" and entering the "virtual/fluid dynamics era" has left Binotto and all his predecessors completely nonplussed. So now, Ferrari's team politics eats its own...each is given 18 month's chance at a fool's errand. Big Red will likely never win anther WCC...or even a WDC. However, the Three Stooges-esc attempts at such will be supremely entertaining.
Big Ferrari fan, huh?

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The Secret Aerodynamicist is back =D>


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I think it's likely they will adapt the cape this season. If they pull it off at Hungary already I'm impressed.
I don't really see them going all in with a thin nose as well though. Maybe a FW43 type solution.

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They will be very glad with the 2nd place from Leclerc, but really their pace was not representative of 2nd.
Felipe Baby!

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Sevach wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:55 pm
What the hell...
Vettel is inducing the oversteer through poor technique. The car's handling isn't *that* bad.

The handling is no worse than many classic Minardis and Jordans. Vettel is braking too late and adding throttle too early, which is inducing oversteer, instead of driving the car smoothly. :)

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What i feel is Ferrari is not even reviewing the results, the pace, the quality of car.

Year after year same story and many Ferrari fans not even ready to see the truth, many still blaming vettel for poor performance.

after AMD now weichai name disappearing. Doesn't all of this brings pressure on team to leave their ego of running all operations from village of maranello and move to UK where they can attract top talent and get the same place that they use to be.

Its strange that year after year some Italian takes place and another disappointing result where merc gets top talent and beat Ferrari even with lesser budget.

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JordanMugen wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:18 am
Sevach wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:55 pm
What the hell...
Vettel is inducing the oversteer through poor technique. The car's handling isn't *that* bad.

The handling is no worse than many classic Minardis and Jordans. Vettel is braking too late and adding throttle too early, which is inducing oversteer, instead of driving the car smoothly. :)
Thank you for your input, mr professional racing driver, i'm sure you're qualified to judge his driving style.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:38 am
I think it's likely they will adapt the cape this season. If they pull it off at Hungary already I'm impressed.
I don't really see them going all in with a thin nose as well though. Maybe a FW43 type solution.
Will this help them with their instability at the rear?

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Gothrek wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:49 am
MtthsMlw wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:38 am
I think it's likely they will adapt the cape this season. If they pull it off at Hungary already I'm impressed.
I don't really see them going all in with a thin nose as well though. Maybe a FW43 type solution.
Will this help them with their instability at the rear?
If they can direct air more efficiently on the underfloor and defuser then yeah

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JordanMugen wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:18 am

Vettel is inducing the oversteer through poor technique. The car's handling isn't *that* bad.

The handling is no worse than many classic Minardis and Jordans. Vettel is braking too late and adding throttle too early, which is inducing oversteer, instead of driving the car smoothly. :)
Which is it?
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JordanMugen wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:18 am
Vettel is braking too late and adding throttle too early, which is inducing oversteer, instead of driving the car smoothly. :)
Except he is not. On that twitter vid it is clear that the car steps out before the apex.