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a wise man once said...


"It's a sh*tbox!"
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Ringleheim wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:37 am
Scorpaguy wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:41 pm
MichaelFerrari wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 pm
Hi guys, i just wish to post my 2 cts on the current situation. Everybody seems to be hitting wayyy too hard on Binotto.
Ferrari's main rivals are blaming them to be liars and cheaters, but do we really believe merc buikt such an advantage over the rest of the field, without bending the rules, twisting the rules?? And honda, who made massive strides forward witht he engine in a few months (winter 18/spring 19) did it completely legally?? Only fools can believe that!

The problem is that Ferrari got caught, unfortunately, probably because they went too far.

Back to the car, i'm no technical specialist, but it seems pretty obvious why the SF1000 is so slow for now :

Back in 2019 they realized very quickly, after a few races, what was wrong with the SF90, and applied the corrections for the SF1000 : adding downforce at all costs. This calculation was based using last year's engine, and hoping to add even more HP by the beginning of 2020.
This happened at the very early stages of development of the car, certainly spring /summer 2019.

When the engine was declared "semi illegal" by the end of the year, the SF1000 was already "built" so to speak, the main parameters of the car were set, thus leaving the team to change their development route in the winter, when only a few days of testing were possible.

During a normal season, by now, they should have been able to catch up at around barcelona gp, but we all know this year is special, unfortunately for Ferrari, too short.

As to why they didn't upgrade their engine before the 2 years freeze, i have no clue!
Mic...valid points. However, "hitting wayyy too hard" on Big Red is a bit of a time honored F1 pastime. A few decades back, Ferrari lost the edge in the engineering wars. Now, no one is going to out Merc Mercedes. It seems that having left the age of "seat of the pants, grease and all, engineering" and entering the "virtual/fluid dynamics era" has left Binotto and all his predecessors completely nonplussed. So now, Ferrari's team politics eats its own...each is given 18 month's chance at a fool's errand. Big Red will likely never win anther WCC...or even a WDC. However, the Three Stooges-esc attempts at such will be supremely entertaining.
Big Ferrari fan, huh?

Sadly, yes :|

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MichaelFerrari wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:17 pm
Hi guys, i just wish to post my 2 cts on the current situation. Everybody seems to be hitting wayyy too hard on Binotto.
Ferrari's main rivals are blaming them to be liars and cheaters, but do we really believe merc buikt such an advantage over the rest of the field, without bending the rules, twisting the rules?? And honda, who made massive strides forward witht he engine in a few months (winter 18/spring 19) did it completely legally?? Only fools can believe that!
Though the design decisions which gave Mercedes such a strong start at the beginning of the V6H era are well publicized, and Honda has in the past been vocal about competitors flouting the edges of the engine regulations with regards to methods such as oil burning. Fact is there are no facts because of the deal the FIA made with Ferrari to keep the anomaly found inside the Ferrari 2019 PU undisclosed, though the facts surrounding Mercedes initial strength and Honda's consistent power gains are able to tracked. So I think it's not all that brash to be critical towards Ferrari as due to their decisions to involve themselves in a deal with the FIA we have absolutely no further information on a car investigated by the FIA that may have had a significant illegal advantage for the majority of a season.

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Ferrari aiming to bring big update to Austria ahead of schedule

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 9Z3Wu.html

Does anyone know what the update package includes?? Maybe slim nose at last? :)
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Gothrek wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:49 am
MtthsMlw wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:38 am
I think it's likely they will adapt the cape this season. If they pull it off at Hungary already I'm impressed.
I don't really see them going all in with a thin nose as well though. Maybe a FW43 type solution.
Will this help them with their instability at the rear?
That surely is the plan. A cape update would likely be followed by changes to the bargeboards and floor/diffuser as well.
The cape is just one of the first instances that shape and guide airflow down the car.

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Couple of observations/ thoughts

I was looking at the video where karun chandok compared pole lap for Charles leclerc between 2019 and 2020 ferrari and it was clear that straight line speed is not there. Normally in straights there is not much a driver can do except to push the paddle as hard as he can. In short straight line speed is not there which seems to be pointed by many as an engine issue.

If we go on the point of factors that does affect engine performance are
engine combustion efficiency which can be reason of lack of power - Incomplete Combustion can be because of fuel injection technology, compression ratio and pressure (i am not sure what it can be) but many saying that since engine development is frozen than what is next? is there no way of any improvements.

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Alakshendra wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm
Couple of observations/ thoughts

I was looking at the video where karun chandok compared pole lap for Charles leclerc between 2019 and 2020 ferrari and it was clear that straight line speed is not there. Normally in straights there is not much a driver can do except to push the paddle as hard as he can. In short straight line speed is not there which seems to be pointed by many as an engine issue.

If we go on the point of factors that does affect engine performance are
engine combustion efficiency which can be reason of lack of power - Incomplete Combustion can be because of fuel injection technology, compression ratio and pressure (i am not sure what it can be) but many saying that since engine development is frozen than what is next? is there no way of any improvements.
For this season, no. For next season, yes.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:34 pm
Ferrari aiming to bring big update to Austria ahead of schedule

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 9Z3Wu.html

Does anyone know what the update package includes?? Maybe slim nose at last? :)
Slimmer nose on Ferrari will be great, i believe that is where they lack mostly and their front end has been more or less same since 2017...But as the nose is integrated to all the rear aero, it will be complete change in philosophy and is highly unlikely

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Alakshendra wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm
Couple of observations/ thoughts

I was looking at the video where karun chandok compared pole lap for Charles leclerc between 2019 and 2020 ferrari and it was clear that straight line speed is not there. Normally in straights there is not much a driver can do except to push the paddle as hard as he can. In short straight line speed is not there which seems to be pointed by many as an engine issue.

If we go on the point of factors that does affect engine performance are
engine combustion efficiency which can be reason of lack of power - Incomplete Combustion can be because of fuel injection technology, compression ratio and pressure (i am not sure what it can be) but many saying that since engine development is frozen than what is next? is there no way of any improvements.
Higher minimum cornering speeds, improve traction and lower drag, those are where their possible improvements lay for this year.

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LM10 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:03 pm
Alakshendra wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm
Couple of observations/ thoughts

I was looking at the video where karun chandok compared pole lap for Charles leclerc between 2019 and 2020 ferrari and it was clear that straight line speed is not there. Normally in straights there is not much a driver can do except to push the paddle as hard as he can. In short straight line speed is not there which seems to be pointed by many as an engine issue.

If we go on the point of factors that does affect engine performance are
engine combustion efficiency which can be reason of lack of power - Incomplete Combustion can be because of fuel injection technology, compression ratio and pressure (i am not sure what it can be) but many saying that since engine development is frozen than what is next? is there no way of any improvements.
For this season, no. For next season, yes.
There are some improvements possible - if it’s related to the MGU-K then this is something that can be changed once this season.

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f1316 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:45 pm
LM10 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:03 pm
Alakshendra wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm
Couple of observations/ thoughts

I was looking at the video where karun chandok compared pole lap for Charles leclerc between 2019 and 2020 ferrari and it was clear that straight line speed is not there. Normally in straights there is not much a driver can do except to push the paddle as hard as he can. In short straight line speed is not there which seems to be pointed by many as an engine issue.

If we go on the point of factors that does affect engine performance are
engine combustion efficiency which can be reason of lack of power - Incomplete Combustion can be because of fuel injection technology, compression ratio and pressure (i am not sure what it can be) but many saying that since engine development is frozen than what is next? is there no way of any improvements.
For this season, no. For next season, yes.
There are some improvements possible - if it’s related to the MGU-K then this is something that can be changed once this season.
That's true. Who knows, maybe the MGU-K is where their biggest problem lies and we could see a significant step forward already this season.

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LM10 wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:58 pm

That's true. Who knows, maybe the MGU-K is where their biggest problem lies and we could see a significant step forward already this season.
Mguk has pretty much been maximized for some time now, tiny improvements there if any.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:34 pm
Ferrari aiming to bring big update to Austria ahead of schedule

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... 9Z3Wu.html

Does anyone know what the update package includes?? Maybe slim nose at last? :)
New front wing, new rear wing and new floor

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For In depth Discussion about the PU please visit the Ferrari PU Thread.
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