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tangodjango wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:41 am
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:39 am


Seems like a circuit Hamilton will take to. Slowtas Idk.
Was doing some research and according to Pirelli, we’ll see Austria/Silverstone levels of downforce at Imola.
Both Istanbul and Imola seem to be fairly high speed circuits. How are the tire loads at Istanbul? Similar to Silverstone?
I've heard it (i.e., Istanbul) compared to Spa, but I'll need to do some additional research.

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Istanbul is hard on tires, particularly sector 2, and the long turn 8. It's such a fast corner that no one will have trouble getting heat in the tires. The C1 and C2 will be good race tires. C1 may have some graining on the left side, as this is a counter clockwise circuit so the right gets a good workout. While the front left may never really come up to temperature.
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dtro wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:00 am
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Kimi is the only current driver who has raced at Imola in an F1 car.

Hamilton raced there in GP2, starting P3 in the feature race before being disqualified. He started the sprint race P15 and finished in P10.
Redemption time
Maybe lol, although he was disqualified for overtaking the safety car because he thought he was a lap down. when I think he was actually leading the race. Was all a mix up when he had a drive through penalty for a jump start, then everyone pitted when the safety car came out at the same time he did his drive through. A few lappped cars were waved by as usual and he followed them expecting to be well down as he had just served his penalty :lol:
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NathanOlder wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:51 pm
dtro wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:00 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:12 pm
Kimi is the only current driver who has raced at Imola in an F1 car.

Hamilton raced there in GP2, starting P3 in the feature race before being disqualified. He started the sprint race P15 and finished in P10.
Redemption time
Maybe lol, although he was disqualified for overtaking the safety car because he thought he was a lap down. when I think he was actually leading the race. Was all a mix up when he had a drive through penalty for a jump start, then everyone pitted when the safety car came out at the same time he did his drive through. A few lappped cars were waved by as usual and he followed them expecting to be well down as he had just served his penalty :lol:
What a mess! These are the best drivers in the world though so I expect them to learn the track pretty quickly.
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Lower-downforce RW spec compared to Portimao.

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Small back wing.

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Bottas' car has a lower-downforce spec RW, whereas Hamilton has the higher-downforce configuration.

Makes sense running different configurations on the cars with the shortened practice schedule.

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After wondering where the piece of Vettel's endplate got stuck, and how/why it didn't dislodge, but did cost him a lot (I thought maybe under the floor, but that should have produced some sparks, right?), the-race.com had an article about it, giving this picture:

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So, why is this relevant for the W11? Well, I think one can nicely see that, here to Bottas detriment, the aerodynamics guided that sailing bit of endplate nicely behind the barge-boards, which is probably where it got stuck from being to big to be guided around the sidepods!

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bosyber wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:55 pm
the aerodynamics guided that sailing bit of endplate nicely behind the barge-boards, which is probably where it got stuck from being to big to be guided around the sidepods!
I doubt it was the aerodynamics that put it there. The tea tray will have hit it and then it will have been thrown one side or the other of the car and caught on the first bit that got in the way
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Merc removing the debris during a pitstop:

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Having that turbine closer to the engine has really given them a tight coke bottle area.

Expect Ferrari and Renault to follow suit.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:59 pm
Having that turbine closer to the engine has really given them a tight coke bottle area.

Expect Ferrari and Renault to follow suit.
It's amazing how they've managed to squeeze-in +/-1000 reliable HP in such a tight space. I know their slightly longer wheelbase would have helped but still....

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:59 pm
Having that turbine closer to the engine has really given them a tight coke bottle area.

Expect Ferrari and Renault to follow suit.
They have to. The new regulations will force teams to improve packaging as that is where all the aero potential is. The rest of the bodywork rules are so restrictive that it's nothing but aero optimization.
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