Red Bull RB16B

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marcel171281 wrote:
18 Jul 2021, 10:11
Juzh wrote:
17 Jul 2021, 11:29
Did they increase downforce from FP1 to quali? Verstappen was slower in pretty much all straights in quali with most obvious being hangar straight where he reached 327 kmh in fp1, but only reached 321 in quali. He's slower on all other straights as well. He suggested he might have too much rear wing on the car, which seems strange if they continued with French RW which is sorta medium downforce wing at best. If you look at mini sector comparison on f1.com they lost around half a second to mercedes on straights which is odd.

Any pictures from quali?
Max used the same wing setup in qually I think. Could be other reasons why the top speed was less. In FP1 Max reported limited power out of the last coner (which I think was just his battery being empty too early), so maybe the ERS release was different in qually to be able to have someting left out of that last corner. Also, Max had massive understeer in qually (from which Max said it wasn't setup related, but all in the tyres), which will have most certainly compromise the corner exit speed coming onto the hangar straight.

I know a lot of assumptions, but why significantly change the setup when you're 7 tenth faster?
I agree ERS management is probably the culprit but it's still a big difference, he's literally the slowest driver in the speed trap. What I don't agree with is understeer causing any perceivable top speed loss on hangar straight. Especially not when he was already 10 kmh faster coming out of chappel on his Q3 run than in fp1. So he started from much higher speed but still ended 8 kmh slower at the end.

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Morteza wrote:
16 Jul 2021, 12:07
From another angle (via @SomersF1)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6aOYy-WQAA ... name=large
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Nice view...
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Ohh, very different to the one (I believe) on the Alpine, which has no central channel.

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No t-wing for Hungary
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Never seen the rear bodywork so wide open this year.

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seense wrote:
29 Jul 2021, 19:55
Never seen the rear bodywork so wide open this year.
Don't need to be so concerned about drag I guess? Having everything run a tad cooler will help in this heat.
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judging from the timesheet in testing the engine from last week seems to be ok.

You have to hand it to Honda, going from the least reliable engine a few years ago to one that can survive a 51g crash!

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bjpower wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 12:44
judging from the timesheet in testing the engine from last week seems to be ok.

You have to hand it to Honda, going from the least reliable engine a few years ago to one that can survive a 51g crash!
Bits of the engine undergo accelerations at least a couple of orders of magnitude greater than that all the time, of course.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 14:11
bjpower wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 12:44
judging from the timesheet in testing the engine from last week seems to be ok.

You have to hand it to Honda, going from the least reliable engine a few years ago to one that can survive a 51g crash!
Bits of the engine undergo accelerations at least a couple of orders of magnitude greater than that all the time, of course.
Sure but quite in direction of crash. :) That quite huge torsion an bending stress on block. Very lucky if they could use it as practice engine.
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aleks_ader wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 19:28
Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 14:11
bjpower wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 12:44
judging from the timesheet in testing the engine from last week seems to be ok.

You have to hand it to Honda, going from the least reliable engine a few years ago to one that can survive a 51g crash!
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Bits of the engine undergo accelerations at least a couple of orders of magnitude greater than that all the time, of course.
Sure but quite in direction of crash. :) That quite huge torsion an bending stress on block. Very lucky if they could use it as practice engine.
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Wouter wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 19:57
aleks_ader wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 19:28
Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 14:11

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Bits of the engine undergo accelerations at least a couple of orders of magnitude greater than that all the time, of course.
Sure but quite in direction of crash. :) That quite huge torsion an bending stress on block. Very lucky if they could use it as practice engine.
Honda Racing F1
@HondaRacingF1
"It was good to see that Max is not suffering any ill effects from the Silverstone crash and we were able to check
that the PU that he used in the British GP weekend is working as normal."
#PoweredByHonda
Unbelievable!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7j0j8cXEAA ... name=small
The engine surrounded by energy absorbing stuff. It's not surprising that the ICE is OK. It's surprising that the rest of the drive train is OK, however, as the gear box / diff takes a hit from a lateral impact.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
30 Jul 2021, 20:34
The engine surrounded by energy absorbing stuff. It's not surprising that the ICE is OK. It's surprising that the rest of the drive train is OK, however, as the gear box / diff takes a hit from a lateral impact.

Max got a new gearbox, and exhaust components for Hungary.
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TIL Red Bull places the drivers drink bottle in the nose, looks like the right connector in the quoted pic is for the drinking system while the left one is for the front wing sensors. I assume this is a weight distribution thing.
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Here you can see the connector (left) on the chassis side
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