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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by axle » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:19 pm

Is the "Lump" under the nose where the front wing pylons mount, significant?

It looks like a version of Renault's thinking last year but I'm not sure. I think it's a aero item as it's painted black on the head on picture.

Are they trying reduce air pressure under the nose? or push it somewhere, like towards the floor splitter?
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by RacingManiac » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:21 pm

have not seen a car with brake caliper clocked like that in F1 in forever...

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by axle » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:12 pm

RacingManiac wrote:have not seen a car with brake caliper clocked like that in F1 in forever...
Front or rear? The front ones look normal to me, can you explain what you mean? Cheers
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by Pedro » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:32 pm

Source: F1news.cz
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by ringo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:08 pm

Lotus clearly copied this car, but this ones more developed.

Any top views?
For Sure!!

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by sticky667 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:12 pm

interesting venting going on in the shark fin to the right of the royal challenge logo.

also the scoop has a slot on the Kingfisher logo just after the F.

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by RacingManiac » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:14 pm

robbertmd wrote:Maybe these pictures can help:


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What I meant was that most cars that I can remember seeing in recent years are running "trailing" front brake calipers(as in behind the axle centerline) or in the cases of a lot of Newey cars, running it on the 6 o'clock position, while this one leads.

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by unique_yikes » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:25 pm

meves wrote:Try this, it's closer but not perfect!

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If anyone else fancies doing it then the vjm02 is here Image
Man... it's 2010 already.

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by Pedro » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:34 pm

ringo wrote:Lotus clearly copied this car, but this ones more developed.

Any top views?
Well, not as top as you would like probably, but at least:
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by horse » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:38 pm

Diffuser concept is certainly unique. You can see the little winglets Scarbs was talking about in the above picture. I wonder if this diffuser would be easier to follow given it's high and narrow?
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by Blackout » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:07 pm

There is many similarities between this FI and the Mclaren...

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by djos » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:14 pm

Blackout wrote:There is many similarities between this FI and the Mclaren...
It even looks like they have the removable panels that can be replaced with slotted panels just behind the sidepods radiator intakes!
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by tk421 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:48 pm

yeah the opening is much further down in the sidepod so you're left with all that room where it says "Royal Challenge." It's drastic compared to the 09 car. mclaren's isn't that low, but it does look like they (FI) could put that same kind of slot on there that mclaren has. oh well, they must have done it for a reason...
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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by Terrible3 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:50 pm

axle wrote:
RacingManiac wrote:have not seen a car with brake caliper clocked like that in F1 in forever...
Front or rear? The front ones look normal to me, can you explain what you mean? Cheers
Both brakes look to be on the outer most side of the car. I don't understand why they would do this other than perhaps there is some compromise being made for aero.

Most of the time the brakes are mounted the opposite in order to get the mass of the calipers as close to the cg of the car. Newey likes mounting the calipers at the bottom in the aim to improve the cg (lowering it).

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Re: Force India-Mercedes VJM/03 (Pre Realease Thread)

Post by benjabulle » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:20 am

is it the first car without a complete lower rear wing ?

http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/FORCEfe46.jpg