2025 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 27 - 29

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Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 27 - 29

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vorticism wrote:
30 Jun 2025, 22:57
"Collision" being rendered usefully vague there. I guess a collision could be anything from bumping tires and causing no loss of car control, to damaging bodywork, to shearing the car in half at the engine-monocoque interface. If a collision is bumping into another car without causing either car to leave the track, then Leclerc would also have befallen your FIA guidelines there, a few laps earlier in that race. "Causing a collision with no immediate and obvious sporting consequence" also yields a "reprimand/5s/10s or grid penalty and up to 3 penalty points."

Will you also castigate the stewards for not upholding that infraction by Leclerc? If Verstappen's action was truly reckless, there would have been shards of carbon fiber on the track. Yet, both George and Max continued on with the race. So you have to ask: what was the point of such a precise bump? Russell wasn't penalized for contacting Verstappen because of this year's famous steward guide rule about being ahead at the apex, so Max did some trolling in retaliation in order to make a statement about the guide. If you're ahead at the apex, you're allowed to contact the outside car, and/or run them off the track. As occurred a few times earlier in the season. Max didn't force George off ultimately, although he could have per the steward's guide, but that would have only provided more virtue signaling clickbait fuel for journalists. So, fairly well managed PR calculation there, considering it was parsed while driving between 100 and 200 mph.
The judges don't look at the consequences of the incident, whether you scratched the paint or destroyed the chassis of your opponent, they don't care, they evaluate the fact of the violation, whether it was or not. I completely agree that Verstappen was literally patted on the head with this penalty. He should have been disqualified.

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Re: 2025 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 27 - 29

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Wrong thread...
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hollus wrote:
02 Jul 2025, 17:11
Wrong thread...
Did you move posts, or is this the most quiet race thread in years?

A race with a Verstappen crash and no posts...all of this is puzzling... :oops:
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No, I did not move posts, not lately.
Max got wiped out more than he or anyone crashed, so...

I was actually quite surprised. He is often creating or risking contact, others have stopped shying away to retunning the actual or possible contact, and yet, the one time he does DNF in 30-odd races, it was something completely out of his control (other than starting tin the famously dangerous upper midfield).
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hollus wrote:
02 Jul 2025, 20:12
Max got wiped out more than he or anyone crashed, so...
THAT is not an excuse. Look at Hungary 2021. People were posting their fingers wound on a similar wipe out with nearly 1700 posts!

Just joking... :mrgreen:
hollus wrote:
02 Jul 2025, 20:12
I was actually quite surprised. He is often creating or risking contact, others have stopped shying away to retunning the actual or possible contact, and yet, the one time he does DNF in 30-odd races, it was something completely out of his control (other than starting tin the famously dangerous upper midfield).
What goes around comes around?
Famously dangerous upper midfield: Actually I would say we see a very high quality this year. I do not remember much of these incidents...am I wrong? Tsu in Saudi...are there many more first lap/first corner crashes?
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