2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by hollus » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:25 am

That 3 to 5 seconds gap is also at odds with the reality of what teams did when they actually got free track to pull their tow stunts. Left free to choose, they chose gaps of about 1 second.
The journo clearly mixed two things here.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by Just_a_fan » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:51 am

The best tow on a straight is within 1 second of the car in front. The best place to be in corners is several seconds behind the car in front. Over a lap, the best place will vary depending on the nature of the circuit, varying between those two extremes. Hence the variations being discussed. Also, you don't want to catch the car in front when doing this. You want to close up i.e. gain lap time, over the lap, so you need to start in the right place relative to the car ahead.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by GPR -A » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:41 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:51 am
The best tow on a straight is within 1 second of the car in front. The best place to be in corners is several seconds behind the car in front. Over a lap, the best place will vary depending on the nature of the circuit, varying between those two extremes. Hence the variations being discussed. Also, you don't want to catch the car in front when doing this. You want to close up i.e. gain lap time, over the lap, so you need to start in the right place relative to the car ahead.
That is pretty much the definition for a tow! I was wondering, why teams with faster cars were NOT lining up behind a Williams for a tow! A Ferrari or a Mercedes could have easily started 3 seconds behind them at the start of a lap and be within 2 seconds by the time they exit Ascari and around/over a second at the time of exiting Parabolica. No damage in Sector 2 and a perfect tow approaching finish!

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by rscsr » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:53 am

GPR -A wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:41 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:51 am
The best tow on a straight is within 1 second of the car in front. The best place to be in corners is several seconds behind the car in front. Over a lap, the best place will vary depending on the nature of the circuit, varying between those two extremes. Hence the variations being discussed. Also, you don't want to catch the car in front when doing this. You want to close up i.e. gain lap time, over the lap, so you need to start in the right place relative to the car ahead.
That is pretty much the definition for a tow! I was wondering, why teams with faster cars were NOT lining up behind a Williams for a tow! A Ferrari or a Mercedes could have easily started 3 seconds behind them at the start of a lap and be within 2 seconds by the time they exit Ascari and around/over a second at the time of exiting Parabolica. No damage in Sector 2 and a perfect tow approaching finish!
A Ferrari or Mercedes doesn't need a tow to get past Q1.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by Ringleheim » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:47 am

Great race! I have no problem whatsoever with the Le Clerc/Hamilton incident in Della Roggia. This is car racing. Let them race.

I LOVE the fact that nothing was done to penalize anyone.

Hamilton says he won't forget and might change things in the future. Good! That's how it's supposed to work...

Let the drivers sort it out on the track.

Maybe F1 isn't totally lost afterall.

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by ringo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:57 pm

It's not good racing.
doesn't take much skill to punt off an opponent.
It's real racing when you stay within the rules and maximise
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by siskue2005 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:14 pm

ringo wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:57 pm
It's not good racing.
doesn't take much skill to punt off an opponent.
It's real racing when you stay within the rules and maximise
+1

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by ringo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:23 pm

Ringleheim wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:47 am
Great race! I have no problem whatsoever with the Le Clerc/Hamilton incident in Della Roggia. This is car racing. Let them race.

I LOVE the fact that nothing was done to penalize anyone.

Hamilton says he won't forget and might change things in the future. Good! That's how it's supposed to work...

Let the drivers sort it out on the track.

Maybe F1 isn't totally lost afterall.
This how drivers sort it out on the track; even though shumacher's squeeze after he ran out of steam messed it up. :lol:
But point is you can defend successfully without punting the other car.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by mzso » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Does anyone have on-board for Honda vs. Reanult straightline?

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by Zarathustra » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:24 pm

ringo wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:23 pm
Ringleheim wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:47 am
Great race! I have no problem whatsoever with the Le Clerc/Hamilton incident in Della Roggia. This is car racing. Let them race.

I LOVE the fact that nothing was done to penalize anyone.

Hamilton says he won't forget and might change things in the future. Good! That's how it's supposed to work...

Let the drivers sort it out on the track.

Maybe F1 isn't totally lost afterall.
This how drivers sort it out on the track; even though shumacher's squeeze after he ran out of steam messed it up. :lol:
But point is you can defend successfully without punting the other car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7_SnEQdZpY
Thx for posting- I always enjoy seeing Schumacher do what he can do best.
Didn’t that Mercedes have an F-duct built-in that front wing?

Having said that:

I will not mention his name- but someone has accused me lately of being ‘anti Hamilton’ (these are my own words) but this is absolutely not true.

I respect Hamilton a lot- and I admire his (almost always) ‘never give up’ state of mind- if Hamilton is 2nd, you automatically know there will be a ‘fight’.

But this doesn’t mean i am a fan of him perse- maybe if he goes to Ferrari one day.. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by MtthsMlw » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Zarathustra wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:24 pm
ringo wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:23 pm
Ringleheim wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:47 am
Great race! I have no problem whatsoever with the Le Clerc/Hamilton incident in Della Roggia. This is car racing. Let them race.

I LOVE the fact that nothing was done to penalize anyone.

Hamilton says he won't forget and might change things in the future. Good! That's how it's supposed to work...

Let the drivers sort it out on the track.

Maybe F1 isn't totally lost afterall.
This how drivers sort it out on the track; even though shumacher's squeeze after he ran out of steam messed it up. :lol:
But point is you can defend successfully without punting the other car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7_SnEQdZpY
Thx for posting- I always enjoy seeing Schumacher do what he can do best.
Didn’t that Mercedes have an F-duct built-in that front wing?
No that double DRS was on the 2012 car. Loved that :D

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by aral » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:56 am

Please try and stay on topic which is the 2019 Italian GP

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 pm

The mclarens gearing was too short in that video.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by siskue2005 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:42 pm

PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 pm
The mclarens gearing was too short in that video.
I still dont get why there is ban on gear ratio changes race by race!
what is the logic behind it?

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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

Post by aleks_ader » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:54 pm

siskue2005 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:42 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 pm
The mclarens gearing was too short in that video.
I still dont get why there is ban on gear ratio changes race by race!
what is the logic behind it?
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