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Lewis Hamilton has won the German Grand Prix at the Nürburgring after fighting a battle all through the race with second placed finished Fernando Alonso and third man on the podium, Mark Webber. Only in the final stint did Lewis manage to pull a small gap to his closest competitors.
Only because Schumy was in the garage the whole year telling him what to do and encouraging him, as soon as Schumy stopped being there for him, Massa went back to being his unreliable old self!marcush. wrote:Massa was so near to winning a title, we tend to forget this.
Mandrake wrote:On that note, it was clever from RedBull to delay the pitstop and do it simultaniously with Massa. Their box is right at the beginning of the pits, Ferrari's the one further down. Now if Vettel comes in directly behind Massa, which he did, he will be very very close getting out again IF both have a similar pitstop time. However, if he's only 2 tenths quicker, Ferrari CANNOT release Massa as it would have been an unsafe releaseHampusA wrote:He did his job, and that was to keep Vettel behind him.
He was let down by a wheelnut problem, that´s all.So all RedBull had to do was to do a very good pitstop and that's all
With hindsight we all now see that the F2008 was far superior to the mclaren 23... maybe up to 0.5 seconds faster! lolmarcush. wrote:Massa was so near to winning a title, we tend to forget this.
The "Top Trio" as you call them are not the fastest drivers in F1, they have the fastest cars, but there are others in the field that are just as good, or will be just as good once they mature. On a sidenote, do you think that Perez getting to sample the Ferrari is mainly due to his sponsor's cash, or because Ferrari sees potential in him in addition to the fact that he's not Asian? I mean, Kobayashi still finishes ahead of him most of the time(this race he started 18 and ended 9th), but none of the big teams are trying to recruit him.HampusA wrote:Haha yea i was actually going to say "except for Schumi era"
That was a bit extreme though and i think that went for when Barrichello was there aswell.
But now though it seems Ferrari just let both guys have at it until its just not possible for one of them to win the title.
Agree!, It´s up to Massa himself if he wants to win a title or not be a nr2 driver.
I like Massa, he´s a fine driver but i like to hate on him most of the time because of his inconsistency. But all in all he´s definitely a fast driver. Just not alien fast like the Top Trio.
Why does he deserve it so much? He hasn't really done anything spectacular and a Ferrari engine and big money don't exactly help with the case.n smikle wrote:I think it is because his car has a Ferrari engine, and that he brings large sponsor money. But he deserves it.
We do? Must've missed that memo. Care to remind me how we found that out?n smikle wrote:With hindsight we all now see that the F2008 was far superior to the mclaren 23... maybe up to 0.5 seconds faster! lol
I'm not convinced. I doubt there are many drivers in the field that could compete even if put in an RBR. Maybe Kobayashi or Kubica when he's back... that's about it.godlameroso wrote:The "Top Trio" as you call them are not the fastest drivers in F1, they have the fastest cars, but there are others in the field that are just as good, or will be just as good once they mature. On a sidenote, do you think that Perez getting to sample the Ferrari is mainly due to his sponsor's cash, or because Ferrari sees potential in him in addition to the fact that he's not Asian? I mean, Kobayashi still finishes ahead of him most of the time(this race he started 18 and ended 9th), but none of the big teams are trying to recruit him.
Are you suggesting that Ferrari prefer Mexicans to Asians?beelsebob wrote:I'm not convinced. I doubt there are many drivers in the field that could compete even if put in an RBR. Maybe Kobayashi or Kubica when he's back... that's about it.godlameroso wrote: Perez getting to sample the Ferrari is mainly due to his sponsor's cash, or because Ferrari sees potential in him in addition to the fact that he's not Asian? I mean, Kobayashi still finishes ahead of him most of the time(this race he started 18 and ended 9th), but none of the big teams are trying to recruit him.
[...] It is true that Massa got off to a slow start. Mike's influence seemed to help FM as he really uped his game by Spain.raymondu999 wrote:We do? Must've missed that memo. Care to remind me how we found that out?n smikle wrote:With hindsight we all now see that the F2008 was far superior to the mclaren 23... maybe up to 0.5 seconds faster! lol
Sauber has confirmed that both driver´s stay til 2013.godlameroso wrote:The "Top Trio" as you call them are not the fastest drivers in F1, they have the fastest cars, but there are others in the field that are just as good, or will be just as good once they mature. On a sidenote, do you think that Perez getting to sample the Ferrari is mainly due to his sponsor's cash, or because Ferrari sees potential in him in addition to the fact that he's not Asian? I mean, Kobayashi still finishes ahead of him most of the time(this race he started 18 and ended 9th), but none of the big teams are trying to recruit him.HampusA wrote:Haha yea i was actually going to say "except for Schumi era"
That was a bit extreme though and i think that went for when Barrichello was there aswell.
But now though it seems Ferrari just let both guys have at it until its just not possible for one of them to win the title.
Agree!, It´s up to Massa himself if he wants to win a title or not be a nr2 driver.
I like Massa, he´s a fine driver but i like to hate on him most of the time because of his inconsistency. But all in all he´s definitely a fast driver. Just not alien fast like the Top Trio.
I bet that Ferrari lolipop man would have released Massa regardless of Vettel's position.n smikle wrote:Mandrake wrote:
On that note, it was clever from RedBull to delay the pitstop and do it simultaniously with Massa. Their box is right at the beginning of the pits, Ferrari's the one further down. Now if Vettel comes in directly behind Massa, which he did, he will be very very close getting out again IF both have a similar pitstop time. However, if he's only 2 tenths quicker, Ferrari CANNOT release Massa as it would have been an unsafe release
They can. It is only unsafe release if Vettel crosses the blue line into the fast lane before massa is released. And the Ferrari pits is two lanes down so it's sorta far for it too as well.
