Sebastian Vettel has won the Belgian GP in his usual dominant fashion, especially in the second half of the race. Mark Webber came in second, completing a perfect result for Red Bull. Jenson Button had a great drive to 3rd while Alonso finishes a solid fourth.
well...Kobayashi, meanwhile, claimed the McLaren moved into him, saying "after he overtook me it was not my intention to get my position back, so I stayed on my line and didn't expect him to move over."
well... he was past until Kobayashi tried not to overtake!(sic)Via his Twitter account, Hamilton said: "After watching the replay, I realize it was my fault today 100%. I didn't give Kobayashi enough room though I thought in (sic) was past.
Good one =D>Gary wrote:Pretty much agree with both of those comments. Focussing on Lycoming's comment: "Kobayashi was equally surprised to have gotten so deep on him" I think that probably summarises it well, although Kobi-san doesn't quite put it in those words.WhiteBlue wrote:The way I see it they both got DRS which Lewis probably did not realize. As a result he did not think that Koba was still alongside. Lewis drifted left all the way up the hill and that was basically it. He cut Kobayashi all the space when Kamui needed to turn in. The Sauber turns in less sharply than the McLaren. So Lewis would probably have left him one or two feet of space if he had been aware of the speed of the Sauber. I think that is the reason why he took the blame eventually. He assumed that Kamui was behind and the guy wasn't.Lycoming wrote:I think both of them were a bit surprised by how much Kobayashi came back at Hamilton. Hamilton just didnt consider the possibility that he would be there (and by the time he got there he would have been looking at the apex anyways). Kobayashi was equally surprised to have gotten so deep on him. Almost like he was just on the racing line and by combo of high top speed and late braking, got alongside Lewis.
However, I would like to express a view on the position that Kobi got himself into and I do this with some trepidation since my experience at braking from 330km/h and turning into Les Combes in close company with another F1 car is strictly limited.
Half way up the hill, Lewis ahead of Kamui, Lewis makes a (legal) jink to the right to (presumably) break the tow. He knew that his car had too much down force dialled in on the day. Approaching Les Combes Kamui starts to come back at Lewis thanks to his own KERS and slightly more slippery configuration. Thing is, he's on the left of the track and that's predictably where the leading car, Lewis's, is going to want to be to turn into a right hander.
From looking at the video over and over (and here I would again cite my humility caveat above), it seems to me pretty apparent that Kamui, whilst he had more momentum than Lewis for a couple of seconds, was not going to get anywhere near to passing Lewis before the turn in point.
And that's the reason, in my view, why Kamui should take more of the blame. In other words, he allowed himself to get into an impossible position. Really, he should have slotted in behind Lewis. Lewis had the corner.
As for Lewis, he clearly felt he was past and he appeared to be 100% focussed on nailing the turn in point. Whether he should have factored in that Kamui might still be coming and coming on his left is certainly a question and one, I think, that is beyond my experience.
So I see it as shared blame but with a bit more going to Kamui. It seems there was no 'attitude' going on... just something that happens in those extreme circumstances. Perhaps that is why the stewards elected to take no action.
I was somewhat intrigued and surprised by Lewis's very servile Mea Culpa on his Twitter. It is almost as though his team has told him that what he doesn't need is aggravation from the FIA, the media or from race fans and that, unless any sin against him is 100% clear cut, it's best to put his hand up, plead guilty and get on with preparing for the next race.
BTW, all the above is on the basis that I don't support or follow any driver or team. I just follow F1 overall.
He arguably also only passes the FI at the end of Kemmel because he missed out LesCombes.Gaara wrote:Schumacher overtook a HRT car at the start under yellow flags with no penalty? heh?
I truly believe that if asked, and he did lose consciousness, he would lie about it. He would not want to admit that because then he would have to be tested and perhaps miss the next race..I am mostly surprised that no one ever asked Lewis or the team about the crash but everyone only cares about the racing incident.
I don't get this either. There is no way they would allow that to happen consitently. Mark is no fool, he knows how to get a car moving because he's done it a thousand times before. Something is seriously wrong and I can't believe that no one is asking Red Bull why this is. Either they can't work out what's wrong, or they think it's not worth pursuing. Which to me doesn't make sense because that would be throwing away potential points risking being collected in an accident at the start. Surely he and Seb have the same clutch setup and I haven't seen him doing anything that would cause the car to stall, he gets out of the pits fine.MikeFromCanada wrote:Here is my attempt at shifting the focus off Lewis/Koba:
Does anyone have ANY idea why Mark has such difficulties at the start of races. It seems like every race you can count on Mark to cause the car to kick into anti-stall. Surely a driver with his skills and experience can't be the only reason for blame, can it?
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9815&p=274662#p274662I think Koba means that at the stage when they collided he already gave up ans was just trying to make corner. He did try to overtake earlier and attempted to stick in the inner line but LH defended well and gave him no chance.FrukostScones wrote:well...Kobayashi, meanwhile, claimed the McLaren moved into him, saying "after he overtook me it was not my intention to get my position back, so I stayed on my line and didn't expect him to move over."
well... he was past until Kobayashi tried not to overtake!(sic)Via his Twitter account, Hamilton said: "After watching the replay, I realize it was my fault today 100%. I didn't give Kobayashi enough room though I thought in (sic) was past.
and why then use KERS Mr.Kobayashi...
Is it just me or are the warning lights/race light--caution alternatively flashing yellow and green??? I paused the video several times and I see yellow and green being given simultaneously.Gaara wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7ZFvOW ... r_embedded[/youtube]
Schumacher overtook a HRT car at the start under yellow flags with no penalty? heh?
Yep.marcush. wrote:some drivers seem to be fought harder than others ,Hamilton an obvious example ,Scumacher a even more obvious one.Alguesuari,Barrichello,Rosberg all seem to go up a few notches in aggressiveness and awareness when the red helmet is in sight.
