For obvious reasons – it's impossible to make any judgement on faster on a single lap, because people were pushing the tyres to a different extent.Dragonfly wrote:Reading the last pages I can't but wonder why nobody splits the "faster" aspect into its two logical parts - faster on a single lap and faster on full race distance.
I'm not convinced that was what was going on at all – yes they failed to overtake (even a ForceIndia), but they also couldn't then keep up with the ForceIndia, and Ferrari clearly had faster pace than them at that stage in the race. We have no good reason to suspect that during the short period that Vettel was lapping faster than anyone that no one else could lap that fast – It's entirely plausible that the Ferrari, Lotus and even the Merc could lap faster at that point, but were choosing not to in order to make the tyres last more.Definitely Kimi was the fastest on race distance. And fast enough on a single lap to overtake when necessary compared to Red Bull cars which are fast where others are not - corner entry and exit - to have the best lap time but were not able to overtake and gain positions once the car is not leading.
Sure, but what we don't know that the RedBull, Ferrari and Merc weren't set up perfectly for Australia too... They may well have been, and were simply not as fast.It's a matter of setup balance and compromises and Lotus have hit the spot for the conditions in Australia.
Yes they may, but at Australia, Lotus were the fastest. We don't know who was the fastest over one lap, as we don't know when everyone was pushing as hard as they could.That's why I wrote in the RB9 thread that RBR need to increase a bit their top speed. For the next races things may vary significantly.
Sure, and teams may well figure out ways to be faster by either simply improving their car (as RBR and Merc are rumored to be doing before next race), or by using the tyres better.All teams will be adjusting to the current Pirelli tyres specifics as testing, apart from being limited, does not compare to real race conditions.
They are, in fact, my favorite team. Having a specific avatar does not mean you support that driver. It may *imply* it, but it does not *mean* it.rkn wrote:<--And I hate Mclaren more than anything
I was.Thats fine if you were merely observing similarities,
If it seemed to you that I was - I now categorically tell you I was not.you are implying this is a one-off like merc in chnia last year.
The best of anyone.They drove a great race
Okay, then I think we're at the point of...Dragonfly wrote:@beelsebob
I am not going to dissect your post as you have dissected mine
Here we just share our own points of view based in assumptions, as you rightly point that we don't know any details and can't be sure. Personally I am not willing to go into word by word analysis and arguing.
Just to be a bit more clear, when speaking about faster on a single lap, I had in mind the qualification. Because during that time we can assume with greater confidence that everyone is pushing hard under equal fuel loads and relatively equal conditions.
Logic.beelsebob wrote:Fastest with a qualifying fuel load over a single lap: RB9
Fastest over a race distance: E21
Fastest instantaneously: STR8
Fastest over a lap at an arbitrary point in the race: unknown. Personally I'd say the E21 is likely to be faster than the RB9. I suspect the F138 is faster too.
I don't think the "Fastest instantaneously" is something you can conclude from what happened, because that doesn't take into account at what point in the tyre life+fuel load cycle that speed was set. It's as useless a metric as "fastest lap of the race" is to judge relative performance, as shown by Jules Bianchi's 10th(? 11th?) fastest lap of the race. Both, in context, can only be taken as additional circumstantial evidence so to speak.beelsebob wrote:Okay, then I think we're at the point of...Dragonfly wrote:@beelsebob
I am not going to dissect your post as you have dissected mine
Here we just share our own points of view based in assumptions, as you rightly point that we don't know any details and can't be sure. Personally I am not willing to go into word by word analysis and arguing.
Just to be a bit more clear, when speaking about faster on a single lap, I had in mind the qualification. Because during that time we can assume with greater confidence that everyone is pushing hard under equal fuel loads and relatively equal conditions.
Fastest with a qualifying fuel load over a single lap: RB9
Fastest over a race distance: E21
Fastest instantaneously: STR8
Fastest over a lap at an arbitrary point in the race: unknown. Personally I'd say the E21 is likely to be faster than the RB9. I suspect the F138 is faster too.
I thought 80s fight was more related to fuel consume than tyres(though it was important too).Tamburello wrote:This is hardly 'new' for F1. Actually, it's brilliant and a throw back to the 80's (minus the unreliability of cars) when the great tyre preservers like Prost would just keep in touch with the fast chargers initially and then get ahead in the final part of the race.Vasconia wrote:Mika1 wrote:
About the race in general, it was quite intensive and interesting, Pirelli is playing a major role in this "new" F1, which is not good but at least races are interesting. Lotus confirmed its excellent use of the tyres and tremendous pace, I was expecting to see RB struggling a little bit but the problems were bigger than expected, which is good for the battle.
hahaha, comment of the day! =D>stefan_ wrote:Raikkonen did 2 pitstops, made the fastest lap of the race with 23 laps old mediums and won the race. What more should he have done to be the fastest, travel in time and wave the checkered flag to himself?
Quickest over a lap. The Red Bull is the quickest car of the field.beelsebob wrote:By what definition of Quickest? As I said above – I call bullshit, until you can give me a definition of quickest that actually makes this true, and is not just bullshit.Nando wrote:Red Bull had the quickest car, Lotus had the best car. Simple.
For reference – quickest if you ignore pitstops is bullshit too...
1) The ferrari was quicker by that metric
2) That equates to "the team with the car that's vaguely close to the front, and made the most pit stops is quickest", simply because that team would run the fastest on the tyres they had because they could extract life from them as fast as possible. This is a bullshit definition for obvious reasons.
I don't think there will be a dominant victory. The tyre advantage of E21 translates to 3-4 seconds over a race distance. It depends on whether redbull/ ferrari can overcome this through their outright pace. it also depends on how the race pans out. If redbull/ ferrari can run in clear air, they will have advantage.Vasconia wrote:hahaha, comment of the day! =D>stefan_ wrote:Raikkonen did 2 pitstops, made the fastest lap of the race with 23 laps old mediums and won the race. What more should he have done to be the fastest, travel in time and wave the checkered flag to himself?
When a guy like Kimi says it was an easy victory and that his car was the fastest one, its true and thats all. Kimi is the sort of guy who says the things ignoring others reaction.
And obviously the pace of the car can be seen taking a look to the data and the tyre behaviour. If the tyrse use of the Lotus is similar in Malaysia you can a expect a dominant victory if the storm doesnt bring a little bit of chaos.