2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by f1316 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:38 pm

Just to say, i think 2006 in China was a great race too.

I think it's interesting that merc haven't gone with a high top speed philosophy this year -- they seem more similar to rb.

I think the f138's characteristics suit the track, but many updates to come from all before the race

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Mika1 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:05 pm

Vasconia wrote:
Faustino wrote:Mercedes expected to bring upgrades to the race too.
The fact Red Bull are better this year and that now Merc are only really a tenth or so of their pace is really an outstanding achievement. They've made up at least 2 seconds over last season's car.

It's not impossible to think they could continue to make progress if they actually put serious effort into this season. We all expected them to have more than 1 eye on 2014
Aldo Costa has done an amazing job, Mercedes had a problem with suspensions and tyre management, 3 years without a great improvement, then the italian came last year and see the results. =D>
Do you remember our ''in Aldo Costa we trust'' conversation during the winter? He is a genius =D> . They have made a massive step forward.
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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Unc1e_M0nty » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:01 pm

f1316 wrote: I think it's interesting that merc haven't gone with a high top speed philosophy this year -- they seem more similar to rb.
The Merc is a very different car to last year, the lack of top-end speed worries me on a track like this.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Ral » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:09 pm

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is looking forward to teams bringing out the DRD setups. I hope so anyway.

Lotus and Mercedes are the ones which have put the most work into it publicly, but you never know with RBR. For the constructor's championship it would be nice if Lotus, Mercedes and Ferrari could get one up on RBR while they are distracted McLaren-style. Might even allow McLaren to get itself back into shape :)

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Vasconia » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:59 pm

Mika1 wrote:
Vasconia wrote:
Faustino wrote:Mercedes expected to bring upgrades to the race too.
The fact Red Bull are better this year and that now Merc are only really a tenth or so of their pace is really an outstanding achievement. They've made up at least 2 seconds over last season's car.

It's not impossible to think they could continue to make progress if they actually put serious effort into this season. We all expected them to have more than 1 eye on 2014
Aldo Costa has done an amazing job, Mercedes had a problem with suspensions and tyre management, 3 years without a great improvement, then the italian came last year and see the results. =D>
Do you remember our ''in Aldo Costa we trust'' conversation during the winter? He is a genius =D> . They have made a massive step forward.
Yeah, I rememeber something hahaha, its a pity he didnt come earlier(specially as a Schumi fan). :mrgreen:

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Red Schneider » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:32 pm

This race will be the first time ever that I find myself desiring to see two Red Bulls at the front.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by BorisTheBlade » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:50 am

Unc1e_M0nty wrote:
f1316 wrote: I think it's interesting that merc haven't gone with a high top speed philosophy this year -- they seem more similar to rb.
The Merc is a very different car to last year, the lack of top-end speed worries me on a track like this.
Looking at the Sepang numbers I have to say that they aren't exactly "slow". It's just that they aren't much faster than anyone else like last year.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Juzh » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:17 pm

That said, Red bull had much better acceleration than mercs when both rosberg and vettel had drs open down the back straight just before vettel passed hamilton(Vettel on ham, and rosberg on vettel). Vettel was visibly pulling away from ros behind him and timing gaps confirmed it.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by myurr » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:51 pm

Juzh wrote:That said, Red bull had much better acceleration than mercs when both rosberg and vettel had drs open down the back straight just before vettel passed hamilton(Vettel on ham, and rosberg on vettel). Vettel was visibly pulling away from ros behind him and timing gaps confirmed it.
You'd expect him to be pulling away, he's on the power first. This happens out of any corner unless one car has a large advantage over the other due to tyres, KERS, DRS, or momentum through the apex. I wouldn't read too much into it unless both cars are able to get on the power at the exact same moment.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Juzh » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Fair point, but still the speed difference was quite a lot. Maybe ros got a bad exit.

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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by Nando » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:35 pm

The RBR has ridiculous acceleration out of corners. Not much between each gear in that car.
It probably helps them in the start as well.
(maybe not webber but it all depends on how close he is to Vettel, like Malaysia, fantastic start)
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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by godlameroso » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:37 am

My weather prediction, a perfect weather(for Shanghai) weekend. Perhaps overnight rain on one of the days, but temps will be around 24-28 C Track about 33. This race will show us who's where really.
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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by PlatinumZealot » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:53 pm

BorisTheBlade wrote:
Unc1e_M0nty wrote:
f1316 wrote: I think it's interesting that merc haven't gone with a high top speed philosophy this year -- they seem more similar to rb.
The Merc is a very different car to last year, the lack of top-end speed worries me on a track like this.
Looking at the Sepang numbers I have to say that they aren't exactly "slow". It's just that they aren't much faster than anyone else like last year.
The car is about half a second ahead of the other cars but the tyres have limited the RB's pace in the races we have had so far. You actually might see the true pace of the RB on the more milder down-force dependent tracks.
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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by raymondu999 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:25 pm

Disagree. IMO you have it the wrong way around. The milder the downforce level, then the downforce advantage becomes a bigger percentage. In the heavier downforce tracks, then it becomes a smaller percentage difference.
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Re: 2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

Post by iotar__ » Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:16 pm

n smikle wrote: The car is about half a second ahead of the other cars but the tyres have limited the RB's pace in the races we have had so far. You actually might see the true pace of the RB on the more milder down-force dependent tracks.
0,5 s ahead? What do you mean by that? The only thing we've got is: current tracks, current races and current results. So in which parallel universe is RB faster by 0,5 s? Over one lap? Average over the whole race distance? That would be overall 28 s.

There's also nothing behind "tyres limiting speed" claim. 1. We've got only those tyres. 2. Cars can't run without tyres. 3. Speed of the car = speed with tyres. There's no theoretical speed of the car without tyres and thus tyres limiting speed. Claims that "they could go faster if not for the tyres" (not yours to be clear) make little sense because they are based on mixing theoretical values with real life data and results.

And what do you mean by true pace? The one after they have figured out tyre degradation? [Leaving tracks aside which is another variable. After Melbourne it was only about tyres, now it's about tyres AND tracks. Interesting correlation between results and reasons behind them.] Well, it's going to be a different car then. Developed based on data from actual races, on actual tyres. Not theoretical ones.