Well, looking at the times, I see a new picture: Ric was simply too slow. Maybe RedBull could have waited one more lap with the first stop as they had a little gap that would have made the undercut from Vet to Ves hard. But everything else:Roman wrote: 2) Vet and Ric: I still don't really get the three stop strategy. One that forces you to overtake on a track where overtaking is specially hard. But on the other hand Nobody really expected the tires to last so long.
3) Last, great race by Ves. A future WDC there if he makes the correct career decisions.
Yes, I dont know in which lap was but I saw it. I thought the same because the pit-stop was so early, it compromised Vettel´s race during his last stint.komninosm wrote:It was so weird, i thought Vettel had a slow puncture and they weren't sure if they had to change tires or not. I think at one point Ferrari did a fake stop too (people getting ready for a pitstop then withdrawn), didn't they?Vasconia wrote:Those tyres are destroying some strategies which is quite good for us because races are more exciting. Temperatures seem to afect them so much!NL_Fer wrote:At end the three stopper was lost during the 1st half of the race, ware Vettel was stuck behind Verstappen. It was Massa who showed the perfect execution of the three stopper this time. And in hindsight, the Soft was 2s quicker vs the used Medium. But after that the new Mediums were actually quicker than the Softs with only 6 laps on them and the teams did not expected it.
A later stop had just ended up in P4 instead of P3. The early stop was the way to get him ahead of Ric, there was nothing wrong with it.Vasconia wrote:Yes, I dont know in which lap was but I saw it. I thought the same because the pit-stop was so early, it compromised Vettel´s race during his last stint.komninosm wrote:It was so weird, i thought Vettel had a slow puncture and they weren't sure if they had to change tires or not. I think at one point Ferrari did a fake stop too (people getting ready for a pitstop then withdrawn), didn't they?Vasconia wrote:
Those tyres are destroying some strategies which is quite good for us because races are more exciting. Temperatures seem to afect them so much!
No. The sprint on used! Softs was planned for something like 10-15 laps and the Bulls made aggressive, early stops before. So a 8 lap undercut is the way to go. RedBull let Ric out longer to offset Vettel in tire lifetime, his laptimes were rubbish compared to the Med runners at this point.Vasconia wrote:But it was too early, 6 or 8 laps before ? too early. His tyres were much older than Ricciardo´s tyres and this could have cost him the podium. But his defense was great and Ricciado had a puncture, 50% of luck.
Just take it as it is man Nobody can talk in favor of Lewis those days. You support a LH move you re a committed fanboy or you are 16 years old, plus surely you don't know anything in racing or my favorite you are a rapper tooNathanOlder wrote:Im happy to call it a racing incident, I just dont see how anyone can call what Lewis did as desperate ? He was approaching a car with a 17kph advantage and had a 80% gap to the right also the inside. Or 20% gap to the left tge outside.
What part is desperate ?
Danny Ric's attempt at Vettel was a lunge bordering on desperate. But still worthy of a try.
People moan like hell about lack of overtaking. Then moan even more when someone tries it. Effing joke.
No idea. I think most fanboys miss the point, that the decisions had to be made in milliseconds with this speed difference. And both drivers made them wrong. Ham did not do the easy overtake on the racing line and Ros closed the gap.NathanOlder wrote:Im happy to call it a racing incident, I just dont see how anyone can call what Lewis did as desperate ? He was approaching a car with a 17kph advantage and had a 80% gap to the right also the inside. Or 20% gap to the left tge outside.
What part is desperate ?
One stop less would simply have been the ticket. The last stint of Raikkonen on a 2- stopper was just 1 lap longer than Vettel's on a 3- stopper. That way he would have easily won.basti313 wrote: A later stop had just ended up in P4 instead of P3. The early stop was the way to get him ahead of Ric, there was nothing wrong with it.
Ok, let me clarify. He knew that was his one and only chance to pass Ros. The Merc tactics to pit the leader first plus the track plus the problems of the Mercs in dirty air would have made a later pass almost impossible. I thought the right word for it was desperate, but i think apart from that we can agree.NathanOlder wrote:Im happy to call it a racing incident, I just dont see how anyone can call what Lewis did as desperate ? He was approaching a car with a 17kph advantage and had a 80% gap to the right also the inside. Or 20% gap to the left tge outside.
What part is desperate ?
And how would he have passed Ves? There is no question, that the 2-stop was better in the end. But for Ferrari Ves-Rai-Vet is nothing else than Ves-Vet-Rai. And there was a good chance, that 3-stop may be faster and I think they just did not pull it off in the right way (Ric too slow and Vet too early for Med).henra wrote:One stop less would simply have been the ticket. The last stint of Raikkonen on a 2- stopper was just 1 lap longer than Vettel's on a 3- stopper. That way he would have easily won.basti313 wrote: A later stop had just ended up in P4 instead of P3. The early stop was the way to get him ahead of Ric, there was nothing wrong with it.
They seemed too scared to make a mistake with the result that they made a big mistake
I agree that in hindsight the easy overtake was the racing line due to Rosbergs speed.basti313 wrote:No idea. I think most fanboys miss the point, that the decisions had to be made in milliseconds with this speed difference. And both drivers made them wrong. Ham did not do the easy overtake on the racing line and Ros closed the gap.NathanOlder wrote:Im happy to call it a racing incident, I just dont see how anyone can call what Lewis did as desperate ? He was approaching a car with a 17kph advantage and had a 80% gap to the right also the inside. Or 20% gap to the left tge outside.
What part is desperate ?
If you look at it in super slow motion yes...but in reality there was no "further and further", the situation was too fast to control.Restomaniac wrote:I agree that in hindsight the easy overtake was the racing line due to Rosbergs speed.basti313 wrote:No idea. I think most fanboys miss the point, that the decisions had to be made in milliseconds with this speed difference. And both drivers made them wrong. Ham did not do the easy overtake on the racing line and Ros closed the gap.NathanOlder wrote:Im happy to call it a racing incident, I just dont see how anyone can call what Lewis did as desperate ? He was approaching a car with a 17kph advantage and had a 80% gap to the right also the inside. Or 20% gap to the left tge outside.
What part is desperate ?
However at that moment the place you go to overtake is to the Right. Hamilton went where you would normally go only to find Rosberg going further and further Right due to him focusing on his engine settings on his wheel.