2017 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, 24 - 26 March

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by PlatinumZealot » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:43 pm

Here is the driver 61 video.

Ferrai more downforce. Vettel could brake up to 20m later. But more ustable car.

Merc less drag or more power. Earlier braking. Earlier on throttle. Stable rear.

This could be all down to setup folks. vettel!! Race will be tougher than Ham's with keeping that ferrari's tyres cool that' for sure.


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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by TAG » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:47 pm

Good side by side comparison commentary there from D61. I hadn't seen a Vettel onboard but the glimpses I did see were that he's pushing as hard as that car can go. Hamilton by comparison was silk with his inputs and the Merc accelerates out of corners way ahead if the Ferrari.

I think tomorrow we'll see the gap even clearer.
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by dans79 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:22 pm

Having seen that, it looks like Hamilton was close to the edge, but wasn't on it. Vettel by contrast seems like he was over the edge.

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by giantfan10 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:45 pm

TAG wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:47 pm
Good side by side comparison commentary there from D61. I hadn't seen a Vettel onboard but the glimpses I did see were that he's pushing as hard as that car can go. Hamilton by comparison was silk with his inputs and the Merc accelerates out of corners way ahead if the Ferrari.

I think tomorrow we'll see the gap even clearer.
My opinion is that its a difference in driving style and slight car handling differences.
Vettel is consistently later on the brakes and as a result later on the throttle at or before the apex.
Hamilton is earlier on the brakes and earlier on the throttle.
That accounts for hamilton being faster on corner exit "slow in fast out"
its interesting to see the laps side by side and the obvious mistakes vettel made.
Does a full load of fuel at race start magnify the slight oversteer that vettel has or does it cure it?
does car length have anything to do with vettels oversteer and Hamiltons slight understeer?
is it down to hamilton having a better setup?
Hamilton had a more balanced car which in turn makes it look as if he wasnt pushing...trust me he was, he just didnt make any mistakes and vettel made a few which accounts for a quarter of a second.

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by casper » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:50 pm


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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by casper » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:58 pm

ferkan wrote:I
Interesting, as full analysis of their lap by driver61 came to conclusion that Vettel constantly break later, but Hamilton was earlier on the throttle. Merc also had ever so slight understeer while Ferrari was a bit tail happy.
It was RIC who diid not brake, which breaks his RB car.

This talk about breaking and braking confused me for a while there. Image

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by FrukostScones » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:22 pm

giantfan10 wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:45 pm
TAG wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:47 pm
Good side by side comparison commentary there from D61. I hadn't seen a Vettel onboard but the glimpses I did see were that he's pushing as hard as that car can go. Hamilton by comparison was silk with his inputs and the Merc accelerates out of corners way ahead if the Ferrari.

I think tomorrow we'll see the gap even clearer.
My opinion is that its a difference in driving style and slight car handling differences.
Vettel is consistently later on the brakes and as a result later on the throttle at or before the apex.
Hamilton is earlier on the brakes and earlier on the throttle.
That accounts for hamilton being faster on corner exit "slow in fast out"
its interesting to see the laps side by side and the obvious mistakes vettel made.
Does a full load of fuel at race start magnify the slight oversteer that vettel has or does it cure it?
does car length have anything to do with vettels oversteer and Hamiltons slight understeer?
is it down to hamilton having a better setup?
Hamilton had a more balanced car which in turn makes it look as if he wasnt pushing...trust me he was, he just didnt make any mistakes and vettel made a few which accounts for a quarter of a second.
sounds like Sirotkin observations
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by giantfan10 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:40 pm

FrukostScones wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:22 pm
giantfan10 wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:45 pm
TAG wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:47 pm
Good side by side comparison commentary there from D61. I hadn't seen a Vettel onboard but the glimpses I did see were that he's pushing as hard as that car can go. Hamilton by comparison was silk with his inputs and the Merc accelerates out of corners way ahead if the Ferrari.

I think tomorrow we'll see the gap even clearer.
My opinion is that its a difference in driving style and slight car handling differences.
Vettel is consistently later on the brakes and as a result later on the throttle at or before the apex.
Hamilton is earlier on the brakes and earlier on the throttle.
That accounts for hamilton being faster on corner exit "slow in fast out"
its interesting to see the laps side by side and the obvious mistakes vettel made.
Does a full load of fuel at race start magnify the slight oversteer that vettel has or does it cure it?
does car length have anything to do with vettels oversteer and Hamiltons slight understeer?
is it down to hamilton having a better setup?
Hamilton had a more balanced car which in turn makes it look as if he wasnt pushing...trust me he was, he just didnt make any mistakes and vettel made a few which accounts for a quarter of a second.
sounds like Sirotkin observations
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/test ... in-883483/
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by renatope » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:57 pm

Grosjean lap was awesome. Haas seem to have very good aero through 11 and 12, maybe they can fight for the top of the midfield, impressive.

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by henra » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:59 pm

Restomaniac wrote:
Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:55 am
One thing that struck me on watching that is that Vettel seems to be having to do a lot more steering wheel inputs than Hamilton.
What I noticed most is that the Merc was 3-5 km/h faster at the end of each straight, even short ones (Short ones 3, longer ones 5 km/h). Apex speeds were identical +/- 1 km/h.
There still seems to be a certain PU advantage (would it be just drag there would be less difference at the end of short straights, where drag is not a dominant factor) although much less than before.

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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by atanatizante » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:07 pm

1. 2015 pole was 1:26:3 and 2017 pole is 1:22:2 so there is a 4.1 sec/lap improvement ... had there was a warmer day I think it could have been over 5 sec. difference

2. Commentators on RTL said that the new colored dot timing system represents 212m for one dot

3. Niky Lauda said on RTL that tomorrow we should see a one stop strategy, so 22-25 laps on US a then 33-36 laps on S tyre ... but I can see Vettel doing something different like 28-30 laps on US and then 2 stints with SS and US at the end had he lose the start ...
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by Manoah2u » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:10 pm

I think Ferrari is going to actually win,
and Hamilton will have a battle with Bottas
which Verstappen will be eager to jump into.

Matter of fact, i think Vettel is going to dive into the first corner in front of Lewis, causing Lewis to brake extra,
And then Bottas will go side to side with Lewis and think he'll be able to beat Lewis, but they'll run out of track,
and Bottas will make contact with Lewis, pushing him into the runoff area, and Verstappen then passing both Mercs,
and then will see the rest of the race Bottas in battle with Massa and Lewis on the hunt back to P1, whilst Max is
also smelling Victory, but not able to fend off the faster Mercedes of Lewis and then also pass Seb at the pitstops,
as they get delayed a bit by error and delay from a passing competitor in the pitlane,

but then a Safety car situation neutralizes all of that and at the restart Lewis outbrakes himself due to colder tires
and Seb jumps him in a corner and then Lewis has to fend off Max for the remainder and Seb then winning the race.

Ferrari fans go crazy but don't realise that will be the only win of the season :D
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by Manoah2u » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:12 pm

Anyway, it was mentioned that drivers and teams - and spectators - expected the cars to be faster than they were today.
Then again, i also heared that by the end of the season the cars should be 1,5 second faster, which would rather correct that.

overly enthusiastic on the theory of being a full 4-5 seconds faster or is it something else?
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by SectorOne » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:24 pm

Mercedes chassis looks super nice. No funny stuff going on and Hamilton seems to "know" what it will do whereas Vettel is not entirely sure what the car will do, hence the jerky reactions on turn-in and snap oversteers on exits.

Like Giantfan said, maybe fuel on the car sorts the Ferrari out. Either way, it looks like we have a proper race on our hands here.
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Re: 2017 FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX Fri 24 – Sun 26 Mar 2017

Post by Phil » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:13 pm

Everyone is talking about the starts going to be more difficult this year. Will they, given the tires are this much wider?
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