2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by TAG » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 am

Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:51 pm
We regularly see team personnel in there when we're getting our weekly groceries.
They are registered as a German team, they fly the German flag on the podium, they play the German national anthem when they win. What's this argument about again? Was Ferrari a British team when they had Ross Brawn winning championships for them? Is Haas a British team because they have facilities in the UK as well? Really now.
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by Shrieker » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:25 am

Which team does the supersoft tires favor more ? Ferrari/Merc ? I predict a Ferrari win here, because i expect Mercedes to struggle in the tight Monaco-Singapore like 2nd sector and Ferrari to shine there, the rest of the track will be even steven.
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by xtremeclock » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:55 am

Juzh wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm
SectorOne wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:47 pm
Juzh wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:40 am
That even though Ferrari's total power output might be similar to mercedes (or by small chance even surpass it), the amount of time they can sustain that level is still nowhere near merc's capabilities, and it will show on this track, as it has numerous times already this season.
Do you have any data on this?
Yes. And if you've watched closely all the races this year (as in live timings and all that stuff, onboards..) you'd get a pretty clear picture.
Didn't Ferrari perform a couple of weeks ago a reliability fix for their Turbos ? perhaps their peak power did increase and can be sustained for longer periods.

In Canada Vettel with a seriously damaged car looked very competitive when he was chasing (long straight) the Force India.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by SectorOne » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:53 am

Juzh wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm
Yes.
Care to show any? Like when the Ferrari runs out of oomph in the race compared to the Merc?
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by wickedz50 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:06 am

xtremeclock wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:55 am
Juzh wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm
SectorOne wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:47 pm

Do you have any data on this?
Yes. And if you've watched closely all the races this year (as in live timings and all that stuff, onboards..) you'd get a pretty clear picture.
Didn't Ferrari perform a couple of weeks ago a reliability fix for their Turbos ? perhaps their peak power did increase and can be sustained for longer periods.

In Canada Vettel with a seriously damaged car looked very competitive when he was chasing (long straight) the Force India.
Merc PU upgrades looked much stronger than whatever PU updates Ferrari managed to bring.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by krisfx » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:38 am

TAG wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:51 pm
We regularly see team personnel in there when we're getting our weekly groceries.
They are registered as a German team, they fly the German flag on the podium, they play the German national anthem when they win. What's this argument about again? Was Ferrari a British team when they had Ross Brawn winning championships for them? Is Haas a British team because they have facilities in the UK as well? Really now.
The difference between your examples and Mercedes is that the entire Mercedes operation is UK based except for the badge and the name. They're as much a British team as they are a German one. :D

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by GPR-A » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:28 am

krisfx wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:38 am
TAG wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:51 pm
We regularly see team personnel in there when we're getting our weekly groceries.
They are registered as a German team, they fly the German flag on the podium, they play the German national anthem when they win. What's this argument about again? Was Ferrari a British team when they had Ross Brawn winning championships for them? Is Haas a British team because they have facilities in the UK as well? Really now.
The difference between your examples and Mercedes is that the entire Mercedes operation is UK based except for the badge and the name. They're as much a British team as they are a German one. :D
You know the concept of "Multi National Company" right. Regardless of where a business establishment is operating, it would always be referred as "So and So County" company.
For Ex: Even if Google has operations in almost every country, it would still be "An American Company". Regardless of how autonomous the work a team is doing in "Google Singapore" OR "Google Australia" where the talent pool is completely local.
Another Ex: iPhones are completely manufactured in China (not designed), they remain "An American Product" belonging to an "An American Company". Even if tomorrow Apple outsources it's design activities to China, because SUDDENLY they found huge stream of talent, it would still be "An American Company" and "An American Product:.
Same with Mercedes. "A German Company" operating in UK and producing "German Product" with local talent pool.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by Vasconia » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:41 am

J0rd4n wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:41 pm
Vasconia wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:48 am
WaikeCU wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:13 am


So it's nothing German about it? Only the nametag is?

What I'm trying to say is, is it engineered German wise and put together by Brits?
I was pretty sure that the PU was designed in Germany, while the rest was in the UK. But I could be wrong.
The engine is designed at the Merc HPP Powertrain facility in Brixworth, UK. Lead by Andy Cowell, a Brit.
So what they do in Stuttgart? oh wait, pay the bills, not bad. :mrgreen:

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by WaikeCU » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:05 am

GPR-A wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:28 am
krisfx wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:38 am
TAG wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 am


They are registered as a German team, they fly the German flag on the podium, they play the German national anthem when they win. What's this argument about again? Was Ferrari a British team when they had Ross Brawn winning championships for them? Is Haas a British team because they have facilities in the UK as well? Really now.
The difference between your examples and Mercedes is that the entire Mercedes operation is UK based except for the badge and the name. They're as much a British team as they are a German one. :D
You know the concept of "Multi National Company" right. Regardless of where a business establishment is operating, it would always be referred as "So and So County" company.
For Ex: Even if Google has operations in almost every country, it would still be "An American Company". Regardless of how autonomous the work a team is doing in "Google Singapore" OR "Google Australia" where the talent pool is completely local.
Another Ex: iPhones are completely manufactured in China (not designed), they remain "An American Product" belonging to an "An American Company". Even if tomorrow Apple outsources it's design activities to China, because SUDDENLY they found huge stream of talent, it would still be "An American Company" and "An American Product:.
Same with Mercedes. "A German Company" operating in UK and producing "German Product" with local talent pool.
So it's basically like Rolls Royce, but the other way around? Rolls Royce is British, but is owned by BMW. So it's hardly British.

Sorry for getting off topic. Might need to discuss this somewhere else.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by toraabe » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:16 am

krisfx wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:38 am
TAG wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:14 am
Just_a_fan wrote:
Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:51 pm
We regularly see team personnel in there when we're getting our weekly groceries.
They are registered as a German team, they fly the German flag on the podium, they play the German national anthem when they win. What's this argument about again? Was Ferrari a British team when they had Ross Brawn winning championships for them? Is Haas a British team because they have facilities in the UK as well? Really now.
The difference between your examples and Mercedes is that the entire Mercedes operation is UK based except for the badge and the name. They're as much a British team as they are a German one. :D
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by Sieper » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:19 am

The whole F1 is largely of British Heritage. British, German and Italian. Almost all teams are largely based in the UK.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by wickedz50 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:27 am

Sieper wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:19 am
The whole F1 is largely of British Heritage. British, German and Italian. Almost all teams are largely based in the UK.
Nothing comes ahead of the British engineering!! :D

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by Phil » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:24 pm

As if there are nothing but British engineers working in those facilities...
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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by Sevach » Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:40 pm

wickedz50 wrote:
Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:06 am

Merc PU upgrades looked much stronger than whatever PU updates Ferrari managed to bring.
How do you figure that? Canada was the first opportunity to see the new Ferrari ICE and it looked quite good.

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Re: 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, 23-25 June

Post by godlameroso » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:30 pm

Ferrari is still the faster car overall in race conditions, and Baku will be much different to last year. I still think Mercedes has a better shot at winning than Ferrari because the road is not bumpy like Monaco. That is the difference I believe, because the reason Ferrari was faster than Mercedes in 2015 Singapore, and was competitive in2016 is because that track is very bumpy. I hope Mercedes capitalizes on it's straight line advantage because Austria is not a track that Hamilton qualifies well on, those two final corners are tricky for him, which means that if Vettel takes pole in Austria, bar any reliability issues or race incidents he should take the win as well.
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