2018 Canadian Grand Prix, Montreal June 8-10

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:45 pm
A little information (from AMuS) on the PU upgrades brought to Canada:

Renault: 20 hp (However, Redbull was and for now is able to only use 12 hp because of another fuel specification. It's expected them to modify it until Hungary.)

Honda: 20 hp

Ferrari: 10 hp (Reportedly about 20 hp was planned, but they decided to go with 10 hp to be safe regarding reliability. Does anyone know wether they will increase the power output step by step or wait for Spec 3?)

Mercedes: Will be an upgrade of about 10 hp as well
As a starter, you better provide link for that.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ult-honda/

All these figures, anecdotes and predictions are just their "technical guessing" except Renault (Taffin himself mentioned specific numbers 20hp etc, see link below).
http://www.f1i.com/news/307262-renault- ... -bull.html

AMuS as always do not specify source and quote, just mix everything to present, in such way readers cannot distinguish which one is proper info from source/quote and which one is just their or whoever's guessing etc, they assert and declare concisely, confidently and unilaterally so that people just believe in them without questioning. It's very bad journalism, actually closer to cult methodology than journalism. I never take AMuS seriously, just a site that presents their own technical guessing and interpretations, some of which can be interesting occasionally.

This obsession on hp is just bizarre. At Spa 2017 Hasegawa explained their new spec PU improved torque in low rpm range by one Kei car (Kei car is small/light vehicle standard in Japan, typical Kei car has torque of around 70Nm), not outright hp, and this low speed torque improvement brought couple tenths (low speed torque brings range of benefits, better acceleration, traction, driveability, better K regeneration at acceleration phase, fuel consumption, etc, each are tiny but when put together it becomes 1 tenths or 2 tenths or whatever, that's how it's like). Yet no one picked up. Current charged engine with ERS is not all about peak hp at all yet people are so obsessed with horse power.

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I didn't send a link because it's out of an interview I've watched. Michael Schmidt was being asked. He is the main journalist of AMuS and has been following F1 since 1981. By following I mean direct contact with the teams. But this doesn't mean that every insider information AMuS reports is true, of course. So I agree with you.

And thanks for the interesting explanation from your side.

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notsofast wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:54 pm
What would the results have been if this "delta" were zero? I don't think Vettel was holding up anyone, and neither was Bottas. The podium would have been the same.
Not sure if that's true but even if the delta changed to zero, it's not accurate to assume that it would have been the same. Drivers back off and play a certain strategy under the assumption of a certain overtaking delta. For all we know, there would have been a point in the race where Bottas was able to pressure Vettel and pass him if the delta was 0s. We see a lot now where the top 5 drivers space themselves apart from each other because it would be pointless for them to try to get really close to the car in front, in situations where if the delta was 0s they would have passed the car in front.

Side note... while 0s delta may sound impossible, there have been cases in motorsports where the delta was negative. At restrictor plate racing in Nascar the delta is negative in some years, and also Indy cars some years at tracks like Michigan and Indianapolis. There's some late 90s CART races on Youtube at California and Michigan where the leaders swapped back and forth each lap.
muramasa wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:18 pm
LM10 wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:45 pm
A little information (from AMuS) on the PU upgrades brought to Canada:

Renault: 20 hp (However, Redbull was and for now is able to only use 12 hp because of another fuel specification. It's expected them to modify it until Hungary.)

Honda: 20 hp

Ferrari: 10 hp (Reportedly about 20 hp was planned, but they decided to go with 10 hp to be safe regarding reliability. Does anyone know wether they will increase the power output step by step or wait for Spec 3?)

Mercedes: Will be an upgrade of about 10 hp as well
As a starter, you better provide link for that.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... ult-honda/

All these figures, anecdotes and predictions are just their "technical guessing" except Renault (Taffin himself mentioned specific numbers 20hp etc, see link below).
http://www.f1i.com/news/307262-renault- ... -bull.html

AMuS as always do not specify source and quote, just mix everything to present, in such way readers cannot distinguish which one is proper info from source/quote and which one is just their or whoever's guessing etc, they assert and declare concisely, confidently and unilaterally so that people just believe in them without questioning. It's very bad journalism, actually closer to cult methodology than journalism. I never take AMuS seriously, just a site that presents their own technical guessing and interpretations, some of which can be interesting occasionally.

This obsession on hp is just bizarre. At Spa 2017 Hasegawa explained their new spec PU improved torque in low rpm range by one Kei car (Kei car is small/light vehicle standard in Japan, typical Kei car has torque of around 70Nm), not outright hp, and this low speed torque improvement brought couple tenths (low speed torque brings range of benefits, better acceleration, traction, driveability, better K regeneration at acceleration phase, fuel consumption, etc, each are tiny but when put together it becomes 1 tenths or 2 tenths or whatever, that's how it's like). Yet no one picked up. Current charged engine with ERS is not all about peak hp at all yet people are so obsessed with horse power.
Horsepower is torque at a given RPM so why wouldn't HP be the point of obsession?
Yes, it would be great if we knew what the torque curves were like for these engines.
Are you suggesting that the peak HP is much higher at a certain RPM than it is in a significant part of the used RPM range? Is it really significantly different at 10k rpm compared to 12k rpm? The cars only use that very small RPM window.

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bdr529 wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:08 am
foxmulder_ms wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:38 pm
LM10 wrote:
Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:10 pm


Remains of a bird? Wouldn't a bird hit destroy a huge amount so that repairs would be needed?
Not necessarily, depends on speed and the size of the bird, right?
What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? :lol:
LOL best comment

Also about how to enjoy boring races:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdqgCnE8fIY

IMO the only thing that's needed is to bring refueling back and make pit entries and pit exits faster (shorten them or make them cut more real circuit distance.
Making the cars smaller is a plus. Perhaps 10% less wide, 30% shorter.
Making the tires not require a very specific temperature range and not produce marbles would also be good.
And allow them more freedom with KERS and stuff.

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Canada ran out of pot the first day. Next year's GP is gonna be dope yo.
Countdown to 91: 7 more victories ¯\_(ツ)_/¯