2018 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa Francorchamps, 24-26 August

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Jolle wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:55 pm
Watching the replay, Alonso's right front wishbones broke on LeClerc's HALO while his wheel was on it's was to/near his head... damn he was lucky having the device.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/og3288m7lac05 ... 2.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwc360iswky8o ... 0.png?dl=0
Indeed. Look at the rubber/removed paint on the halo of LeClerc:

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Morteza wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:46 pm
Hulkenberg did Hamilton Mexico, you know the one, but with a car in front instead of cutting the corner and gaining the advantage =P~ .

As Sky experts say: Lerclerc can't stay out of trouble, "it's the X incident/DNF in Y races", doesn't matter that he was not guilty :wink:, their statistics don't lie.

Edit: This bird's eye view from behind looks pretty bad for a driver.

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There is a talk regarding Merc's rear wing that Sky Italia picked up. Apparently it's flexing a bit too much. Any videos about that?

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Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:53 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:41 pm
I wonder if overrated Hulkenberg will get the well deserved race ban or not ...

also lol @ everyone praising the halo because of some scratches on it in an area far away from the head
I was thinking since the car went from behind, halo probably didn´t help. But you can´t assume it was not useful because the scratches are far from the head. Scratches are there, so the car passed at that point pretty close to the head, how can you know the car didn´t go closer or directly into the head but halo did deflect it?
Maybe the scratches were not where his head was, but they are certainly above the steeringwheel. Since he was full lock when alonso landed, thise “scratches” could have been on his fingers.

It won’t change my opinion on the Halo ( I still think it is ugly). But at least it has proven its functionality.

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Edax wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:29 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:53 pm
RZS10 wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:41 pm
I wonder if overrated Hulkenberg will get the well deserved race ban or not ...

also lol @ everyone praising the halo because of some scratches on it in an area far away from the head
I was thinking since the car went from behind, halo probably didn´t help. But you can´t assume it was not useful because the scratches are far from the head. Scratches are there, so the car passed at that point pretty close to the head, how can you know the car didn´t go closer or directly into the head but halo did deflect it?
Maybe the scratches were not where his head was, but they are certainly above the steeringwheel. Since he was full lock when alonso landed, thise “scratches” could have been on his fingers.

It won’t change my opinion on the Halo ( I still think it is ugly). But at least it has proven its functionality.
I don't think there is anyone who says that HALO is not ugly. However, if it saves even one life it is fantastic.

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Harvester wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:38 pm
Edax wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:29 pm
Andres125sx wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:53 pm


I was thinking since the car went from behind, halo probably didn´t help. But you can´t assume it was not useful because the scratches are far from the head. Scratches are there, so the car passed at that point pretty close to the head, how can you know the car didn´t go closer or directly into the head but halo did deflect it?
Maybe the scratches were not where his head was, but they are certainly above the steeringwheel. Since he was full lock when alonso landed, thise “scratches” could have been on his fingers.

It won’t change my opinion on the Halo ( I still think it is ugly). But at least it has proven its functionality.
I don't think there is anyone who says that HALO is not ugly. However, if it saves even one life it is fantastic.
Indeed. However look at the current F1 car. They look a total mess down the side as they are covered in tiny wings. You could never call a 2018 F1 car a ‘looker’ with our without the Halo.

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Jolle wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:55 pm
Watching the replay, Alonso's right front wishbones broke on LeClerc's HALO while his wheel was on it's was to/near his head... damn he was lucky having the device.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/og3288m7lac05 ... 2.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwc360iswky8o ... 0.png?dl=0
So many people are saying it wouldn't hit him without the Halo there. They all seem to ignore two major factors, one, Leclerc's car is as normal there, moving directly towards Alonso's car, it doesn't matter that it at one point was just ahead of him, Leclerc's motion is taking him in to it. Second and most important, the halo pushed Alonso's car forward (from Leclerc's perspective). As it hit the wishbone and the tire Leclerc's forward motion also mean the halo was moving forward and exerting force on Alonso's car, it pushed it forward in midair. Without the halo leclerc moves forward without something to push Alonso's car forward as it moves sideways and his head is going to end up much closer than it did and maybe enough to be caught by the tire.

So many people are treating it as if because the front (well actually back) part of Alonso's car passed infront of Leclerc, the front would have easily as well as if Leclerc's car wasn't moving towards it.

People's spatial reasoning and inability to see what effect the halo had on the movement of Alonso's car is insane to me.

I can't say for sure it would have hit Leclerc's helmet, but it would have been exceptionally close, much closer than the halo allowed.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:45 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:08 pm


When I go to the pub at 12:30 and got back at 5:30 I do not usually post. (OK, I admit I sometimes do, but try not to :D )
Type. Read your post. Read again. Read yet again. Press submit and wing it. 8)
but its different each time I read it :D
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Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:54 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:45 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:08 pm


When I go to the pub at 12:30 and got back at 5:30 I do not usually post. (OK, I admit I sometimes do, but try not to :D )
Type. Read your post. Read again. Read yet again. Press submit and wing it. 8)
but its different each time I read it :D
Hence the "wing it"... :lol:
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:56 pm
Big Tea wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:54 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:45 pm

Type. Read your post. Read again. Read yet again. Press submit and wing it. 8)
but its different each time I read it :D
Hence the "wing it"... :lol:
:twisted:
We are standing on the shoulders of Giants. So don't kick.

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roon wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:03 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:53 pm
And that is F1's problem right there...
That your favorite driver didn't win?

Fix the racing, not enough passing, too much money, too complicated... On and on, but most of the complaints seem rooted in people wanting only their favorite driver to do the passing and the winning. Then they claim there is something systemically wrong with the sport, because Driver Whomever, their cosplay character, isn't performing as well as dreamt.

I'm not succeeding, other people whom I purport to support aren't succeeding, there must be a nebulous systemic issue causing all this... My, there are some deeper philosophical dimensions at play down here in the salt mine.

Juzh wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:58 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Amazing. :lol:

Edit: multiple spelling errors. I blame the keyboards! Down with Qwerty! I am far better than this multi-keyed device shows me to be!
Oh, don't try to psychoanalyse me, thanks. I really don't hang my personal success on the success of a sports person (whether I know them or not). My company is young - set up this year in fact - but doing ok so far, thanks. "Driver Whomever" has no bearing on that, but if it makes you feel better, hey, whatever.

Anyone who didn't look at the strengths of the cars this year, at this track, and didn't think " if Seb gets the tow on lap 1 he'll be gone" then they're not F1 fans, or rather, they're not very bright.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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drunkf1fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:53 pm
Jolle wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:55 pm
Watching the replay, Alonso's right front wishbones broke on LeClerc's HALO while his wheel was on it's was to/near his head... damn he was lucky having the device.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/og3288m7lac05 ... 2.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bwc360iswky8o ... 0.png?dl=0
So many people are saying it wouldn't hit him without the Halo there. They all seem to ignore two major factors, one, Leclerc's car is as normal there, moving directly towards Alonso's car, it doesn't matter that it at one point was just ahead of him, Leclerc's motion is taking him in to it. Second and most important, the halo pushed Alonso's car forward (from Leclerc's perspective). As it hit the wishbone and the tire Leclerc's forward motion also mean the halo was moving forward and exerting force on Alonso's car, it pushed it forward in midair. Without the halo leclerc moves forward without something to push Alonso's car forward as it moves sideways and his head is going to end up much closer than it did and maybe enough to be caught by the tire.

So many people are treating it as if because the front (well actually back) part of Alonso's car passed infront of Leclerc, the front would have easily as well as if Leclerc's car wasn't moving towards it.

People's spatial reasoning and inability to see what effect the halo had on the movement of Alonso's car is insane to me.

I can't say for sure it would have hit Leclerc's helmet, but it would have been exceptionally close, much closer than the halo allowed.
It's not about bending the laws of physics. Obviously the impact dynamics are inseparable from the results seen. It's simply evidence that a large object passed in proximity to the cockpit opening. This bolsters the reason for the halo. The probability of a helmet strike is high enough to merit safety measures. LeClerc's helmet would have been fine in this instance sans halo (although his hand might not have been), but an object did pass close enough to interact with said safety device.

Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:05 pm
Anyone who didn't look at the strengths of the cars this year, at this track, and didn't think " if Seb gets the tow on lap 1 he'll be gone" then they're not F1 fans, or rather, they're not very bright.
In light of the options available... I'll go with the former! Deal?

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roon wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:08 pm

In light of the options available... I'll go with the former! Deal?
Nice try. No deal. Go bait someone else.
Turbo says "Dumpster sounds so much more classy. It's the diamond of the cesspools." oh, and "The Dutch fans are drunk. Maybe"

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I have only one thing to say after this race.. Stop drs at spa. Killed all the racing after lap one

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TwanV wrote:I have only one thing to say after this race.. Stop drs at spa. Killed all the racing after lap one
But there was no DRS on lap one? Were you watching the same race the rest of us were?

C'mon, just because you're a Lewis fan doesn't mean everything is broken when he doesn't win.
Botas had a cracker of a race because of DRS.

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